The times they are a changin...regarding Duel Tournaments for cash prizes in WoW

[Theloras-llane (Theloras)]

It is up to you if you to determine if you fall under the category of someone who sits here all day whinging about streamers. if you do not do that, then why would you think I am attempting to describe you? i did not call you out by name.

1. i don’t hate streamers - i hate the hypocritical retail streamers who tried to sabotage and prevent vanilla/classic from happening (people such as Preach)
2. i do hate that they got priority for the beta where every other player required an active sub for the chance to get in (first time for Blizz that)
3. i hate streamers that spread misinformation or outright lies in their streams for which I then have to waste my time to try and correct (certain Ret Paladin streamer)
4. yes, you it turns out that you did not tag me but it came up in my notice anyway so my apologies for linking you to that

[anon25736332]

• i don’t hate streamers - i hate the hypocritical retail streamers who tried to sabotage and prevent vanilla/classic from happening (people such as Preach)
• i do hate that they got priority for the beta where every other player required an active sub for the chance to get in (first time for Blizz that)
• i hate streamers that spread misinformation or outright lies in their streams for which I then have to waste my time to try and correct (certain Ret Paladin streamer)
• yes, you it turns out that you did not tag me but it came up in my notice anyway so my apologies for linking you to that

1: he didn’t
2:they didn’t’
3:You’re a Hypocrite
4: (no comment)

[Theloras-llane (Theloras)]

You are, the streamers aren’t here talking every day.

then gief beta invite plox - have mats - will tip

[Mijung-hellscream]

I think you’re projecting. I can finally name 1 or 2 streamers. I had been referring to tipgold until recently I was told there are 2 separate streamers tips and gold.

Again - it wouldnt be punishing anyone. They cant play on that one server, without streaming, if they really want to. How is that hurting them?

Your argument cuts both ways - I pay for wow too(or would if I play classic) - why should I be forced to be subjected to a streamer and his toxic community. You may disagree with me on the community - but just look at the stream chats.

It doesnt hurt the streamer or myself to give us a CHOICE. You can play on the server with the streamer. I would choose not to.

Why are you trying to FORCE ME TO PLAY with the streamers when I dont want to? I dont want to force the streamers to play with me.

[anon25736332]

It’s a beta you’ve got an obsession problem yo.

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

i hate the hypocritical retail streamers who tried to sabotage and prevent vanilla/classic from happening (people such as Preach)

How did he do that? Thought he was for it?

[Theloras-llane (Theloras)]

1: he didn’t
2:they didn’t’
3:You’re a Hypocrite
4: (no comment)

um, yea he did broheim…

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nostalrius/comments/4etume/preach_claims_support_wasnt_truly_there/

How did he do that? Thought he was for it?

nope…see video and reddit link above

[anon25736332]

Why are you trying to FORCE ME TO PLAY with the streamers when I dont want to? I dont want to force the streamers to play with me.

You have no right to segregate people just because you don’t like them.

[Aknor-kilrogg]

I think you’re projecting. I can finally name 1 or 2 streamers. I had been referring to tipgold until recently I was told there are 2 separate streamers tips and gold.

Again - it wouldnt be punishing anyone. They cant play on that one server, without streaming, if they really want to. How is that hurting them?

Your argument cuts both ways - I pay for wow too(or would if I play classic) - why should I be forced to be subjected to a streamer and his toxic community. You may disagree with me on the community - but just look at the stream chats.

It doesnt hurt the streamer or myself to give us a CHOICE. You can play on the server with the streamer. I would choose not to.

Why are you trying to FORCE ME TO PLAY with the streamers when I dont want to? I dont want to force the streamers to play with me.

you aren’t forced to be subject to a streamer or his community. you do not have to engage with them or pay attention to them.

it seem you are choosing to pay attention to them; that is your “CHOICE.” but no one is forcing you to. you are doing it on your own and then getting frustrated with your decision.

segregation has already been proven to be, you know, bad. get with the times.

[Manzo-argent-dawn (Manzo)]

i do hate that they got priority for the beta where every other player required an active sub for the chance to get in (first time for Blizz that)

The unfortunate reality is that this was not unexpected. Even in 2006 and 2007, well before the age of streamers and twitch, Blizzard wanted to woo opinion-makers, the people who other players look to.

I’m repeating myself again, but it’s been the industry standard to pamper and pay off streamers and people with early access and swag to promote their events or games. (see: Fallout 76’s canvas bag controversy, where they gave canvas bags to influencers and streamers in the preview phase)

https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/101725/AGC_Blizzards_Pardo_On_WoWs_Success.php

“Blizzard, according to Pardo, envisions their market as a donut, with the core players at the center and a more casual audience around that.”

This is a video of Mike Morhaime speaking at GDC 2007 (near TBC’s launch), and he has this to say about how Blizzard views the game market, and basically how every other corporation has done so in the last twenty years:

https://youtu.be/UlIYRPQwTr8?t=735

[Danathor-kelthuzad (Danathor)]

Find out where which server they are playing on and then pick one of the other that I am sure will be created. You aren’t force to play with any streamers. You will have options.

[Theloras-llane (Theloras)]

@anon25736332

It’s a beta you’ve got an obsession problem yo.

well duh cuz I actually want to TEST STUFF OUT and have wanted answers to my theory crafting questions literally for YEARS…

Proc Items + Spell Dmg + JotC stacking?

Hello everyone, It's time to put your Vanilla theorycrafting hats on and delve down into into the following Vanilla mechanics debates below since I was never able to get a confirmed answer on whether the following items and their procs scaled with spell damage or not: Fiery Retributer Binds when picked up Unique Main Hand Sword 56 - 105 Damage Speed 1.80 (44.7 damage per second) 60 Armor +7 Strength Durability 90 / 90 Requires Level 60 Equip: Increased Defense +5. Equip: Adds 2 fire dama…

[Mijung-hellscream]

Of course I would be. What happens when a streamer with 20k followers says “Lets have an event in stormwind” and the people on his server plus another 5,000 level 1 paladins show up in stormwind city?

1. can the server handle it? I dont know,
2. Are you saying I should just avoid stormwind city until the event is over. and if I am forced to take action to AVOID the streamer and his event, is that not forcing me to interact?

[Theloras-llane (Theloras)]

You have no right to segregate people just because you don’t like them.

tell that to Trollgodx…

[Aknor-kilrogg]

Of course I would be. What happens when a streamer with 20k followers says “Lets have an event in stormwind” and the people on his server plus another 5,000 level 1 paladins show up in stormwind city?

1. can the server handle it? I dont know,
2. Are you saying I should just avoid stormwind city until the event is over. and if I am forced to take action to AVOID the streamer and his event, is that not forcing me to interact?

If seeing other people in an MMORPG bothers you, the problem is inward

[anon25736332]

I’d rather just dip you both into ice water and let you chill for a bit till you agree to stop this endless bickering.

[anon25736332]

you’re reading into it because you hate him as a person, your bias is blinding you to differing opinions being, well opinions. and now that he’s ‘’ changed his mind’’ or at least admitted to being wrong saying he wish’s he didn’t like vanilla you’re angry because…people can change their mind i guess.
personally i find being that blind and stubborn as a bad thing.

[anon25736332]

They made an i quit thread earlier but have abandoned it i guess because nobody was agreeing with them. now they’re here spouting the same ‘‘i have a right to segregation’’ nonsense.

[Mijung-hellscream]

You literally just said I wouldnt be forced to interact with them.

Now its that the problem is “inward”.

[Aknor-kilrogg]

SEEING someone is not the same thing as interacting with them. You can by all accounts choose walk right by everyone and not have your gameplay effected in the slightest.