The terrible maths of the M+ loot nerfs

I don’t know if that is how it works. Unless you’re unsubbing because of the changes.

That is how that works. The devs have repeatedly said it over and over again over the last few years.

Literally everything is driven by metrics in large corporations.

No it doesn’t.

You’re so out of touch it’s hilarious.

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The funniest thing is they’ve already managed to slip the biggest nerf past us and nobody is talking about it.

Who remembers the “Weekly +15” key that people used to beg you to help them with late Monday night? A +15 was the key level you had to run to get the max vault level item. A +15 then, which is a +5 now.

Now they’re only giving you max vault for a +10, the equivalent of a +20 back then. lol.

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Devs raid mythic in guilds. Devs hear mythic raiders cry all day.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that.

Thus, they make terrible choices for the health of the game, repeatedly.

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It’s a good change. 8s were too easy to award that high of gear.

Mythic Raiding definitely has its helicopter developers/balance. What other mode has actual developers in the same instance?

Building the raid itself is the massive development cost. The zone itself, the bosses, the animations, etc.

Tuning mythic isn’t the large cost.

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Considering raiding is seen as a whole and not just mythic difficulty.

Mythic gets nerfs because it’s the only one that’s difficult.

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Okay. 6/6 Mythic items already exist, called 14/14 Awakened. Is there a massive outrage about those items being so far more powerful than a 6/6 Heroic even though their acquisition was once every 2 weeks instead of once a week in the fastest gearing season?

Ok you continue to ignore the ilvl gap difference between heroic and Myth track.

You mean the gap was was only extended by what 6 ilvls?

You clearly never played in wrath when normal was vastly behind heroic :joy:

The gap was too narrow as it was based on the difficulty of heroic raid and mplus that dropped hero track.

Why don’t you try to answer that with numbers, please.

Because that’s going to change the fact you’re complaining over a pretty minor increase?

I asked, are people throwing tantrums about 14/14 awakened? The gap is 522>535.

People who cap at 6/6 Hero are… Heroic raiders that never do M+.

So, the vault change doesn’t affect them at all but they have been thrown a bone so they won’t need to do M+ at all for top tier crests.

It isn’t a M+ vs Mythic raid argument because M+ players will be getting 6/6 Myth gear, it is a gap between raid difficulty players.

Because :roll_eyes: because :no_mouth: because :grimacing:

Can’t answer that without leaving the thread with your tail between the legs, right

Why would my tail be between my legs? I’m not the one crying and throwing a tantrum over 6 item levels.

I understand now. Looking at logs you’re carried by ilvl. I see why you’re so upset now.

any time blizzard says something positive it usually means the opposite. just like their " we hear you" its really just a i hear you dont like this but we are going to double down so that it sucks even more. you gotta treat everything said as the opposite

Even that doesn’t make sense. If he’s being carried by ilvl, why would being allowed to upgrade further to gain even more ilvl be upsetting to him?

Kind of ironic coming from Mythic Raiders who whine that they need to run M+ to get better ilvl…

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