I think you’re conflating mythic raider with world first mythic raider. You can casually mythic raid if you’re very focused with the limited time you spend on the game.
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I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the term, “oxymoron,” but that’s what a “casual mythic raider” is.
Yeah I wasn’t disagreeing with you necessarily just saying I don’t think it’s optimal. It would be a workable solution, but it seems like a lot of new terms to add into the mix haha
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The point is more to agree that people’s definitions are different.
Much of it stems from where one is standing.
The usual line is drawn thusly: I define myself as a casual player, people who do less then me are also casual, people who do noticeably more than me quickly stop being casual.
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Get ready to play RuneScapes equivalent! You will have it all to yourself.
I definitely get your point OP.
I would say I’m casual now. I have done my hard-core time from BC to Mist when I was a teenager and able to dedicate hours amd hours a day. And I was really cutting edge, usually in a top 50-100 US guild. Now I’m an adult, shifting work times. I can’t dedicate that kind of time anymore, but I usually play probably 2-4 hrs a week on my days off. But I almost always get AOTC, and try to aim for KSM. To me a casual is more of a time thing.
You can be a casual mythic/heroic/normal raider. Or casual m+. Or even LFR/LFD.
To me solo players are just that. A solo player. They are a separate category.
Side note, I have verrrrrryyyyy rarely encountered the so called elitist. Most people that play well are not snobbish rude people. And barely do I even come across those people that belittle others.
I think mostly the issue is self accountability on each person. They just assuming it’s a targeting thing.
Lastly. This will be my blunt speech, this is a MMO. Its meant to be a group play. Stop trying to scalp the rest of the game down to appease your solo play. Either accept the limitation of your choice of playstyle or find a proper solo game. And thats coming from a casual player.
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I swear in the olden days it was dependent on the time you put into the MMO only, so someone who could only play 4 hours on the weekend was a casual and the guys playing 7 days a week were hardcore.
Didn’t matter if the casual person logged in and did a Dynamis or something “hardcore” and the no-lifer just leveled BST slowly solo that was how it was divvied.
Now it seems to be more based on the level of content you do, letting you have raid loggers that are still the hardcore yet they play less than any casual now that the tiers quiet.
I agree with you though, OP, people just seem to use it however they feel fit.
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whether you do endgame or not if your putting crazy hrs in everyday playing you ain’t no casual has nothing to do with what content your doing, you ain’t no casual playing 16 hrs a day and i know alot who do.
Casuals and Hardcore has always been defined by playtime, this is true in this game and any activity IRL.
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The term is pretty meaningless at this point.
On the forums, I am called a casual who shouldn’t really have an opinion about gameplay, my class, or anything even remotely technical ingame because I don’t mythic raid and haven’t gotten KSM this season.
I’m also called a hardcore elitist on these forums, and I don’t get to have an opinion about item level caps. loot drop rates, world content, or the value of collecting hobbies in the game because I raid heroic and do mythic + every week.
Basically, if you don’t agree with whoever the OP of a given thread is, you’re either a casual or an elitist and, therefore, irrelevant.
It’s ridiculous and juvenile, but that’s all it is at this point. The terms have been rendered utterly meaningless.
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Self definition is not a helpful definition.
To me, a casual player is someone who doesn’t do Mythics every day, Raid every week, PvP BGs/Arenas/etc every day. They may do it every now and then but they playing is relaxed for the most part. Their play is not scheduled but whatever they want to do today when they log in.
Their first goal for the game is to relax or just enjoy their time. They may not have much time to play sometimes and rush but other times they can take their time doing things.
But the diea of casual players is so different for everyone else that there is just no one definition.
A casual player: the game is not that important to them.
I’m a casual drinker.
…hic!
“Casual” is purely a ranking term now. It means “less meaningful” or “less important” to end game centric players. It could mean the guy who plays 30 hours a week but doesn’t do mythic raiding or it could mean the guy who plays 4 hours a week and gets glad. It could mean pet battlers or m+ rats.
Then you have the inverse crowd. The “I don’t care/I’m too cool to care about anything too much” crowd. It’s kind of an extension of the people who used be like “lol, I’m failing geometry lol”. Mediocrity is like a badge of honor to this tribe, so they’ve absconded with the term “casual” and turned it into an excuse not to accomplish things. “I’m just a casual, so I can’t m+“ or “I’m just a casual, so I can’t raid” even if they play 30+ hours per week. They can’t “fail” because they make it so clear that they aren’t trying and don’t care.
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Ia am well aware and glad you picked up on what I put down. However strange it is, or oxymoronic, casual mythic raiders exist.
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He’s on the “casual = baddies” boat.
He’s the kind of person that casually goes to the gym 5 times / week but still can’t get rid of his kul tiran belly because he’s just that bad at doing workout.
I have no idea where this is coming from. I knew plenty of fatsos in the army who retained big bellies despite running 3-5 miles a day every day and knocking out unhealthy levels of push-ups and sit-ups every day. Some people just can’t say away from the Twinkies and Ho Hos. I’ve found intermittent fasting to be a far more effective method of weight-loss than straight-up exercising. but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
Casually doing something means that you don’t go out of your way to do it “better” because you’re just doing it for fun. A guy paying for golfing lessons, for example, may be an amateur, but they’re not casual. Just like the guy who is watching kill videos on a daily basis, simming every piece of gear they pick up, and reading every strategy guide that gets posted isn’t playing casually. I know you haven’t done much Mythic raiding at level 12, but all the stuff I just described is highly encouraged just to get through Heroic raids without a carry. I don’t see how you get into Mythic raiding as a casual raider. That’s OK. You’re not intended to do so, nor should you be. The existence of Mythic raiding is perfectly fine. The modern-day game’s overemphasis on that level of content, however, is crazy. I now know the post about “casual Mythic raiders” was facetious because the poster flat out admitted to it. In the current climate, however, that wasn’t so obvious. There are plenty of players (like you) who can say that with a perfectly straight face and immediately jump on anyone saying anything different as a “baddie.”