The Survival 12.1 "mini rework" is a disgrace and did nothing for the spec

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Hello,

Survival is still a 3-button spec.

The new 12.1 talents are horrible and did nothing to change this:

Bombardier - Wildfire Bomb damage increased by 15%, critical strike chance increased by 15%, and critical damage dealt increased by 15%.

Compare this to the old existing talents:

Explosives expert - Wildfire Bomb and Boomstick damage increased by 5/10%.

Improved wildfire bomb - Wildfire Bomb deals 6/12% additional damage.

Blackrock munitions - Wildfire Bomb deals 20% increased critical strike damage.

Same with the other “big new” talent, what a joke it is:

Razor edge - Raptor Strike and Kill Command gain 10/20% increased critical strike chance and 10% increased critical damage dealt.

Isn’t that the same as the old talents?

Vulnerability - Raptor Strike and Boomstick deal 20% increased critical strike damage.

Flanker’s advantage - Kill Command grants an additional 5 Focus and its critical strike chance is increased by 10%.

Now let’s see the “new redesigned” Granade juggler, which is essentially a weaker version of the old talent Wildfire shells:

Granade juggler - Boomstick increases the cooldown recovery rate of Wildfire Bomb by 60% for 8 sec.

Wildfire shells - Damaging one or more enemies with your Boomstick reduces the cooldown of Wildfire Bomb by 3.0 sec.

So, this was the best you could come up with? You think these new talents are interesting? Like, there are literally 5 talent points in a row that increase the damage of wildfire bomb by x%…

And before somebody jumps in to say “these new talents are very strong”, I don’t care - I want fun interesting talents and good choices. You removed the only active ability you could take as Survival (granted, it was terrible and needed to be deleted), but replaced it with a bunch of “% crit” talents.

What a shame! Do you guys have no fantasy at all? The whole survival hunter tree is the same 5 talents in different words. You could have added a new button, a DoT, some new cool effect, an ability with a good animation, anything… But no, let’s do a bunch of crit % talents.

Whoever worked on this should be ashamed of themselves

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Anything that makes melee Survival worse is good for the game as a whole.

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Oh, and the funniest part of the patch:

The OG survival hunter Explosive shot (short DoT version) was given to MM :smiley:

Imagine if that was the new ability to replace Flamefang pitch… but no, “sorry guys, the best we can give you are a couple of crit percentage talents”

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Blizzard just want survival - the melee hunter - to be the throw bomb and shot gun bot, that happens to spam raptor strike. M+ folks seem to be very happy with how lame and numbmind the spec is

we truly need a 4th spec for this class, they are still hellbent in trying to fit all themes in the same spec

  • “Melee” hunter that is mostly ranged
  • A spear/sword wielding ranger who shot guns
  • A "primal hunter with a bonded-pet " but is focused in throwing bombs
  • A venom handler who mostly deal fire damage

Can we pick a lane

Black arrow was survival too right?

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Now that you mention it, it actually was - Black arrow and Explosive shot were the SV-defining abilities.

About the rest, fully agree - the current SV implementation is a M+ bot that pressed 3 buttons and the single-target rotation is actually the AOE rotation.

What a disgrace

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So don’t play it. There’s tons of other specs to play in the game. The current iteration is fun to me, but if I didn’t like it I would play something else.

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Well then if you dont care about the thread subject dont respond it, there is tons of other threads to discuss what you want.

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My feedback was for the OP, not you. You’re contrarian that just wants to argue. And until you’re paying my subscription I can respond to whatever the I want.

:call_me_hand::call_me_hand::call_me_hand:

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I want it to be improved, I’m a paying customer so I can complain. I don’t want to play other specs, I want my preferred spec to get more attention than some seemingly AI-generated crit talents that are copy/paste of the existing talents.

If that works for u, good for u! Does not work for me though. I spent time on the PTR and giving my feedback

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And my feedback is for you, why dont you use your own advice and ignore things you dont like?

Brother in Christ You came to a thread discussion just to argue and YOU are telling people what to do

Are you paying his subscription too? what a hypocrite

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I gave him a suggestion of what works when you don’t like something. Just like you do with everyone.

:call_me_hand::call_me_hand::call_me_hand:

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Idk how you only have 3 buttons. ive got a ton.

I like how it is currently, even after it being gutted somewhat.

I say this is a skill issue.

Honestly though i only do pvp, and i have like 5 bars filled. 12x5 = 60 buttons.

we will say 5 of those are utility things like electric shock, battle standard flag, potion, etc etc..

so 50-55 buttons/macros im bouncing around on.

How can you even complain

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this patch makes it better though lol

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PVP is a different beast since you need way more of your toolkit way more often and even more abilities that pvers dont use, like chimaera shot, disarm, net

But doesnt change the fact that you just spam the same 3 buttons for damage and dumbstick on CD

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I’m a PVP player too but on EU: https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Ragnaros/Mewithoutyou

I post on a lvl 10 character of a trial account just to have access to the US forums because these are the ones devs read.

I have @arena1/2/3 macros for every utility spell - harpoon/kick/disarm etc… to even tranq shot and concussive shot. I also use @party1/2 macros for any ability you can use on party members. My bars are also full.

This doesn’t change the fact that the damage rotation is 3 buttons and every 1 minute you get to press 2 more.

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Have you even tried the new SV on ptr, it feels great, everything gives something else cdr, bombs give gun lower cd, gun gives bombs lower cdr, its a fun dance back and forth combined with sentinel bomb resets. We got more bombs we could ever want.

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I’ve only played my arcane mage on ptr so far, and that also feels good to those wondering, but what you describe here has me really excited for survival in S2 :smiley:, which is my new main to play in keys with war friend.

Will still be maging too though! Looking forward to S2!

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you mean we just keep pressing more the 3 buttons we already did? wow.

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lmao i gave you a thumbs up cause you always on here whining like a gd baby.

you just dont give up do ya.

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syeg ruining another thread, gg