We need a Theloras on the horde side for shaman! Enhancement tank spec lol.
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I have never actually enjoyed playing a Shaman - it always felt wonky for me whenever I tried playing the class - never made it past level 20 lol
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Now that you mention it, I wonder how an Enh Shaman using a similar setup with dual wielding would do.
Or just MCP + Weapon Enhancement, same as Paladins would be doing with MCP + Seal.
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See this is why we need a shaman guide on here lol
Looking at the setup Theloras has the spell power Paladin running, I think this might work.
I got some math to do. I might sway my Priest vs Shaman decision on what to play in Classic here.
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Shaman can’t dual wield in Vanilla - Enhancement can talent for 2handers but not dual wield until TBC came out when they switched it
but yea MCP on a Shaman could conceivably work as well while stacking spell dmg
PS Sabetha - you should join our discord - I didn’t write up the spreadsheet or create the video - but the guys who did are in the discord:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1avNLAbTb7bgsI_pYHK6xz9g8LBCLZvn94c_FfqF8pnc/edit?usp=sharing
https://discord.gg/7ces3kZ
I still hate Remnant
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who is this Remnant you speak of?
Paladins are going to be heal bots. You can farm all the consumables you want, you can farm dungeons thousands of times for a weapon drop, and you can spend hours getting everything perfect just to do 80% of the DPS a mage, warrior, or rogue can do while half asleep drooling on their keyboard.
I honestly can’t wait for people who want to play ret to have their dreams and hopes shattered. It’s going to great I can’t wait.
Classes had certain strengths built into their mechanics. With regards to paladins, they simply don’t have the damage output to be top tier dps. They can make it into the mid tier, and players will have to accept that to play paladin in Classic.
I respect the effort that has been put into this by Theloras, and his friends. I have no illusions of paladins being ‘good’ dps in pve.
The unfortunate truth is that it will take much more effort to make Spelladin work. And that is dependent on how the game is tuned. For the same effort, a player could become a top tier healer that people praise server-wide.
What Theloras’ posts are not telling you is that there are only a few singular pieces of gear that work to make paladin dps ‘good’, and raids are not going to give raid drops (dps items) to paladins until their main dps is geared. On the other hand, there is plenty of gear for healers, and guilds will be excited to help gear their healers. We may want good hybrid gear, but we don’t get it in Classic.
That said, there’s something exciting about taking an idea and trying your best to make it work. Good luck to those of you that try this. I do hope it works for you.
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Top tier DPS isn’t needed in vanilla when players are better than they were before. I honestly couldn’t care less if someone isn’t playing an optimal spec if they’re playing what they enjoy, as warm bodies are far more important than being absolutely min/maxed.
Then again I am going to be playing a Hunter which doesn’t scale.
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Depends what type of guild you’re in. In my guild you will not be playing ret EVER. Now, if you’re a casual yeah you can play anything you want.
Regardless you still have to put in a HUGE amount of time just to be sub par. If that’s what you wanna do go for it, I’ll be asleep on my keyboard on my rogue doing double your DPS.
Sounds like a terrible guild for playing the game with.
Depends on how you enjoy playing the game, it’s completely subjective.
I don’t personally find it enjoyable playing with casuals who want to play ret in a normal guild that have no passion for being the best on the server. To me that sounds like a terrible guild to play the game with.
To each their own.
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If you want to rush to endgame and rush to finish the content as fast as you can, sure. Ret and other hybrid specs like Feral and Elemental are not a good addition. But the game isn’t going anywhere, and you’re going to burn yourself out and run yourself dry. If you want to tell someone who wants to play a class they have to spec into something or you’re not going to play with them, it just makes me glad I won’t be playing with you. That isn’t a guild environment I’d consider healthy or worth my time.
I’ve done the hardcore raiding. I’ve done the bleeding edge, min/maxing. It’s not for me anymore. I’ll take my Hunter - a class that starts off good but doesn’t scale as well, but brings utility, is fun to play, and is enjoyable to solo with over min/maxing as a spec just to make sure we can clear 15 year old content as fast as possible. It’s all going to get cleared anyway. I’ll perfect my class, I’ll play the specs, but I won’t reroll or play something I don’t enjoy to try and get server firsts. There’s just no point when it’s already been done.
And if that means I’ll have Rets and Ferals and Balance and whatever in my raid, good! If they enjoy it, I’m happy.
Good thing you can choose who you play with. That’s the beauty of not only Classic but World of Warcraft in general. You can play the game how ever you want and as long as you reach your goals you’re winning.
So please don’ tell me how to play the game or what I’ll enjoy. I’m going to rush to 60. I’m going to rush to get geared and get rank 14. I want to be the best player on my server because that’s what I enjoy and that’s my goal.
If you prefer to be a casual more power to you.
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I’m not telling you how to play the game. I’m saying it’s ridiculous that you want to deny others what they want just because you want to finish the content as fast as possible in a 15 year old game. Do your thing, I just find it preposterous. Rushing to 60, grinding for R14, all of that I can respect. It’s you telling others what to do and what not to do. Especially since it seems you’ll take joy in others being denied.
Don’t worry I’ll be playing with a group of like minded individuals who know that they only have one path to take to be the best. Regardless of how old or new the game is. I don’t like being below someone, in a video game or real life. That’s why I do everything to my best ability and with purpose.
I won’t be taking anyone’s joy away. The people I’m playing with are well aware and have the same goals in mind.
The same way your guild has the same goals in mind and will find it enjoyable playing with any spec. Again, just have fun. All that matters.
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I truly feel like the same people who push to make Paladins viable in raid dps are the kind of people who cut their grass with scissors. Yes, it can get the job done. Technically.
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Nobody is telling paladins what to do, though you seem to be telling us we should invite them. A raid is 40 people, that means that there are 39 other people in the group. Many raids are made up of people that focus on raiding and run raiding specs. I don’t know what is so hard to understand that they would not want to carry a bad spec, especially when dps isn’t a hard role to fill.
Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean that you should. I don’t even plan to run a hardcore min/max raid, but I want to be efficient. We won’t be raiding 4+ hours a day, 4+ days a week. I want to make the most out of the time we spend in a raid. The easiest way to do that is simply by building a good raid.