Eh that’s fair. I personally am not into this entire hyping up to fail horribly thing for the overwhelming vast majority of things. Besides most of those numbers just reinforce the negative stereotype as having truth in regards to why gear out a Ret in full Naxx40 bis if it outputs so poorly unless you require the niche.
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Make it without the Onyxia buff and attacking multiple adds. You positioned the fight in a way to inflate the numbers by doing this.
Not to mention getting PI and innervate.
Shadowstrike was for paladins or Spell damage warriors (potentially hunters too) (which according the designers was a supposed to be a thing if people wanted to stacked that, though most of the spell-damage scaling weapons were intended for shamans or paladins). That’s why it has a 150% spell coefficient on it’s proc.
(Shadowstrike for single-target, Thunderstrike for multi-target).
What is funny is all this was already a thing in vanilla. It’s not new information.
The spec wasn’t taken to any groups back than either.
Lol… what kind of response is that? It was well established before priv servers were even a thing. People tested stuff and left all sorts of info on various websites.
Let me put on my time-traveling watch for you.
It’s called Wowhead genius
Yeah I’ve already read through this. So what about this shows ironfoe has a 10% proc rate? A…single comment? I can link you a comment saying it has a 2.7% proc rate. So we’re back at ground zero here.
You seem to think it’s done and done. For one I’m not insisting on any proc rate. You seem to INSIST on one, which is silly. Theloras doesn’t insist on one.
I don’t care. It’s 10%. You’re just arguing over nothing at this point.
If someone comes out with something substantial that proves that rate is actually wrong, that’s one thing. But you’re just denying that a commonly held opinion existed among an entire community for no reason.
And that someone was called Skjaldbjorn.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070821131917/http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=11684
Some information on the proc.
Posted: Aug 20th 2006 5:22pm
By: Ryotu Guru
After some testing on a Servant mob in the Blasted Lands, I have a more accurate idea of the proc rate. All testing was done on the same level 53 “Servant of Grol” wielding Ironfoe along with a shield. All attacks were either auto-attacks, Bloodthirst or Revenge (all of which I believe are capable of triggering Chance on Hit effects). I used no other equipment that granted extra attacks, although I did have Crusader enchanted and enough Heroism equipped for the “chance on hit to heal” set bonus.
In all I attacked the mob 3,226 times with Ironfoe, and recieved 87 extra attack procs (counting the combatlog message “You gain 2 extra attacks from Fury of Forgewright.” as a single proc). 42 of those attacks were partially blocked (but still did damage), 62 were dodged, 32 were parried, and none missed.
This would make the proc rate 2.70%, or 0.675 procs per minute. For comparison, Crusader is believed to be approximately 1 proc per minute (I found 1.07 procs per minute in my testing). It should be noted that “procs per minute” refers to how often it would be expected that a Chance on Hit activates for a character simply auto-attacking without using any special abilities, or attack speed increases - in practice the proc rate will be higher.
So basically, the weapon seems to have approximately a 2.70% chance on each attack to cause you to gain two further attacks.
This test was performed on the live WoW servers, under version 1.11.2
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The weapon is really nice. But the proc is crappy. Im full prot pally and i was testing it with reckoning. It would be nice with 10% proc rate but at 0,67ppm … Im lvl 70 and there are much better weapons. Blizz should raise the procrate. Heh it would be funny to tank Karahzan with that thing.
What was the proc rate at level 70 then?
This sounds like a stealth nerf or something.
no that’s an incorrect PoV - as procs such as Healing Circle are triggered by both Seal/Judgement of Righteousness - which effectively doubles your proc rate on top of each white swing
Judgement of Light however, has a flat proc percentage of 60% iirc so the 3/8 set bonus then increases that to 70% proc rate for all melee to trigger a JoL heal with each white and yellow melee attack
lol cause I wasn’t there for each boss genius - thank you for quite literally proving my point that you never ever ever ever look at total raid parses to make a judgement (pun intended)
never mind the fact that on Loatheb, I wasn’t there for my DPS but for my group AoE healing and support while swinging Nightfall
man, some people are “special” and you sir, are “very special”
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Don’t know, don’t care, that is TBC territory. I don’t really get what you are are trying to say by quoting this though. He seems to be acknowledging that the proc rate sucks and that it would be a good weapon if it was a 10% proc instead of .67ppm, which is what the guy I quoted says it was during his testing.
You’re ignoring the scaling factor though.
It doesn’t matter. If it’s .67 ppm, then that’s what it is. That still sounds like a stealth nerf to me.
incorrect - my best parses where from when I played on Anathema - before it merged into Lightbringer
https://legacyplayers.com/Search/?search=theoloras
- even though technically the same toon but two servers with different parses
but I digress, those logs were not full SPELLADIN but a mix of gear/playstyle all while swinging NIGHTFALL for max group/raid support
not once during that time was I swinging Manual Crowd Pummeler
Salad Bakers say, “Hold my beer…”
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484066218911727618/551603524975460377/salad_full_buffs.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484066218911727618/551603526535479307/rally_warchief.jpg
but who am I to JUDGE (pun intended yet again)
never mind the fact that these are SINGLE TARGET BOSS FIGHTS lol…
/next
see above for context lol then get back to me…
you’re mistaking SHOCKADIN for SPELLADIN - two completely different specs and playstyles
shockadin works well in pvp but useless in pve (Holy Shock has 30 sec cd in Vanilla)
Stealth nerf from what?
correct - my fellow theory crafters and I do not know what the final proc rate will be for Ironfoe on Classic
all I’m saying is that IF Ironfoe goes live at a 10% proc rate then it’s BIS OP AF FOREVER for SPELLADIN
From 10%. Those numbers sound so weird to me.