Pillowfort, I think you’re obsessed.
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Yeah and that’s literally irrelevant because DPS checks are usually in the 450-600 per dps range in naxx. It straight up doesn’t matter if your warrior can do 1600+, by that point, it’s bragging rights. Getting BiSed out on the best scaling and bragging about your dps is pretty asinine. Nobody is saying ret beats warrior in BiS. Especially when there isn’t much of that amazing hybrid gear in Naxx. No matter how the chips fall, paladin can meet every dps check in the game. This has been known for ages. The math checks out. You can push yourself into viable ranges very easily. If your guild is failing to progress, it’s because your guild is bad. A small number of hybrids won’t kill your ability to progress on a boss. In a lot of cases, the additional utility from a hybrid player might be able to make progression on tricky fights easier.
Viable=/=optimal. So if you want to be a meta gatekeeper for a mechanically easy game that came out about 15 years ago, that has seen countless day 1 clears with suboptimal raid comps, be my guest. Like this is honestly what I don’t get about your stance. Regardless of what percent of warrior’s damage paladin does, you can contribute value equal to or greater than what’s required out of that raid slot. From a top down perspective it’s pretty irrelevant if you bring a ret or a fury as long as you’re not hitting enrages. And again, DPS theshholds are so low that you really shouldn’t run into enrages.
Take a step back and think about it. If the game is piss easy on a mechanical level, and paladin can meet and surpass every dps check demanded of them, how is its’ position relative to other classes at all relevant? You’re not even taking a Paladin for the same reason you take a fury warrior. Ret has exponentially more utility, while, again, meeting minimum dps checks.
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Worgen aren’t playable in classic ![:grin:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/grin.png?v=6" ":grin:")
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Nope. There are 3 versions of the set depending on the patch, but Classic itemization is 1.12 locked. 1.12 is a hybrid set that’s just about perfectly optimized for this build. It’s full of spellpower, strength, and int.
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And that means 8 pieces this role won’t be rolling on from every future raid. More gear for everyone else.
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Yep. This is what strikes me as the best part about this spellpower build. There isn’t a huge amount of competition for gear. You have free access to STR/INT gear and use it optimally. The only class that wants it other than you might be Shaman or Druid. Druid doesn’t have access to mail or plate. This current hybrid build uses a lot of gear nobody cares about. You have typically very high priority on the gear you want. 2h weapons and hybrid armor isn’t something any conventional meta class wants.
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FYI guys - here is Holyfrog’s writeup over on the EU forums on how he felt the Spelladin meta actually worked over the weekend:
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/retribution-raid-viable-sure/47236
PS - we might also wear this dress in Naxxramas as well…
Robe of Undead Cleansing
Binds when picked up
Chest Cloth
89 Armor
+12 Stamina
+13 Intellect
Durability 80 / 80
Requires Level 58
Equip: Increases damage done to Undead by magical spells and effects by up to 48.
Bracers of Undead Cleansing
Binds when equipped
Wrist Cloth
39 Armor
+6 Stamina
+7 Intellect
Durability 30 / 30
Requires Level 58
Equip: Increases damage done to Undead by magical spells and effects by up to 26.
Gloves of Undead Cleansing
Binds when picked up
Hands Cloth
56 Armor
+10 Stamina
+10 Intellect
Durability 30 / 30
Equip: Increases damage done to Undead by magical spells and effects by up to 35.
Regalia of Undead Cleansing (0/3)
Bracers of Undead Cleansing
Gloves of Undead Cleansing
Robe of Undead Cleansing
(3) Set: Increases your damage against undead by 2%.
I did a very similar build in Vanilla, I used Ravager an SoR and chain proc’d like crazy on packs. Downside was getting all the aggro and having to be dump healed.
Clearing out Imps, Mag trash in MC, UBRS and tons of whelps? NO PROBLEM! Getting chucked popping bubble and clearing out a pile of whelps and walking back up alive is what got me into MC to see just how well that worked =P
Ah no target limits and every mob hit had a chance to proc…
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I like you
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Wait SoR procs from Ravager, that’s kickass, I might pick one up!
we haven’t been able to find definitive proof that it did - so we will all have to wait for classic to test it out
Ah sure, well I might be running quite a bit of SM to get gear, if I happen upon one in classic, I’ll test it out. I think I’m in your discord and can report.
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for some strange reason, what you wrote reminded me of this…
It is entirely possible it was patched at some point, previous i ran SoC when it was broken gloriously and just chain proc’d off mobs in SM farming cloth. After that i explored other avenues for my fav axe and SoR was wicked like that. Once I hit the PvP grind on my warrior and started leveling other classes, Paladin got shelved until BC when i went full tank. If it was patched in Vanilla may have been why Paladin stayed shelved.
FYI - the cloth “of Undead Cleansing” set that I posted earlier means this will be the difference in Naxxramas against undead mobs/bosses:
jagersmashToday at 3:01 PM
quick sheet with 8/8 tier 2(and earlier prebis gear) was 677.0 DPS — switching out the 3 pieces for the undead cleansing set was 692.3 DPS
jagersmashToday at 3:19 PM
its likely more, I just updated PreBIS that I had in the spreadsheet to see chacging out 8/8 to these 3 - so trinkets, jewewlry, etc will bump that up.
Yeah, SoC being RNG instead of normalized was broken for a while. That sounds really dumb, and really effective lol. You could proc quite a few times with the axe. SoC getting normalized into a PPM system sadly killed this combo.
I don’t know if SoR changed, but if SoR is proccing off Ravager, that’s an insane way for the new Ret build to get a HUGE amount of AoE damage. Drop Conse and bladestorm, proccing SoR a TON of times. It sounds very, very effective in theory. I hope it’s in Classic, it makes me excited to hear about janky stuff like this. These are the pieces of tech Ret needs to get pushed past memespec status.
Enchant it with Fiery Blaze - bladestorm hitting X targets, proccing SoR on X targets, many of which proccing Fiery Blaze AOE on X targets (please god, scale with SP)
Even before that, when Crusader increased speed but was supposed to reduce damage, yet it increased it along with the spell damage proc. That speed increase affected the proc rate of Ravager, Ravager was RNG for the longest time till they made it PPM in BC or WOTLK.
I had 2 axxes, Fiery and Balance Stone, Fiery incidentally enough had individual proc chance vs each mob hit.
do you happen to have old videos or screenshots showing you with Ravager by chance?