Yeah, this rewrite doesn’t really flow with the original lore. Makes me sad because the lore of wow was so good.
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Yep, and Tauren still think the sun is an eyeball or something, I just kinda glazed past the Sunwalker stuff.
Not changed, re-contextualized. This forum has a serious problem defining what a retcon is. New information is not a retcon.
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I believe you are technically correct, but I can’t even explain this story coherently anymore. Did Ner’zhul know about the Jailer? Were the Dreadlords working for the Jailer the whole time of Warcraft III? Given the story reframing it makes me not understand certain choices characters made.
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We don’t know for sure. Probably not.
Yes.
They still call Mueh’zala’s Purple Death Magic by the term Shadow Magic(despite a Zandalari Lich’s Spell using the word Death Spiral despite clearly being the same shade of Purple as Mueh’zala’s Shadow Magic) while calling the Green Maldraxxi Magic(also used by Mueh’zala alongside the Purple Death Magic) by the term Necromantic Magic.
Bolvar knew and Ner’zhul in the Raid was mentioning that he is being punished for failure so he was definitely aware of Zovaal and working for him willingly. Not hard since Zovaal and the Nathrezim were undermining Kil’jaeden.
Even during Arthas’s sleep there were signs of Ner’zhul not truly being an enemy of the Nathrezim in that Kel’Thuzad made deals with Balnazzar in order to acquire the Ashbringer and Alexandros Morgraine for the Scourge while Balnazzar obtained Renault as a lieutenant.
Ner’zhul was clearly working with Zovaal and the Nathrezim from the start.
Unfortunately he was so incompetent that a Soulless Arthas usurped him enraging Zovaal in the process.
Incidentally Ner’zhul had Arthas remove the last piece of his Soul thinking it made him an obstacle for the Jailer’s Plans only to find it was the last thing keeping Arthas on Ner’zhul’s side as removing it allowed Darkness to hijack the Body completely and Darkness despite being driven insane by the Cold Blizzards of Northrend to the point where it saw itself as Arthas is far more free willed than Arthas ever was.
The whole of Shadowlands lore is just so dumb that I don’t even try to make sense of it anymore.
I had to think of the place as just another alien world to even continue to play.
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Not sure if this will help or muddy the waters more but:
Shadow may refer to:
Void
- The Void, a cosmic force commonly referred to as “Shadow”.
- Shadow , a type of magic derived from the Void.
- Shadow, a magic school in World of Warcraft.
- Shadow, the priest specialization
- Shadow , a type of magic derived from the Void.
What I was talking about was that the term “Void” was never used until Chronicles. They created the concept cosmic forces in that book, as well. There was no separation between Death and Void.
well it’s logical to say Shadow could be Void, Fel, or Death. There’s no Shadow school. And you can imagine some Human Cleric thinking they’re all the same anyway.
forget the books, you need to play warcraft 3 first.
I did. Got me through the loneliest year of college.
there was, actually. Void was seen as something that undead were very rarely associated with (notable examples being Domina.), where as undeath had really become its own thing and separated itself away from the Fel by the end of Vanilla.
play it again, it describes why the scourge were created by the Legion and how they broke away into their own faction.
I know why they broke away. That’s not the question.
the question is how the scourge formed in the first place and why they formed, which again is answered by playing Warcraft 3 and it’s associated expansion pack.
Don’t you mean seven cosmic forces? lol, that’s another new thing, but who knows what the seventh actually is. Guess we find out eventually.
Technically Blizzard claimed the First Ones made the Cosmic Realms not the Cosmic Forces…
Furthermore the Broker Documents by Al’firim in the Veiled Market indicate that the First Ones created the Cosmic Realms with Energies taken from 6 Cosmic Beings forcefully brought together AKA the 6 Cosmic Forces.
The 7th Cosmic Force hides within the Pattern created by the First Ones whether by force or by choice. Considering how DC Comics has a Shared Universe for all of it’s Franchises and how Marvel Comics has a Shared Universe for all of it’s Franchises I’m personally hoping for the 6 Cosmic Forces to be Amon’s Xel’naga with the 7th Cosmic Force being the remnants of Amon himself!
As for how the 7th Cosmic Force would be Amon’s Remnants: Amon was nestled in the Protoss’s Mind Gestalt known as the Khala so one would think there are remnants of Amon inside every Protoss aside from the Dark Templar.
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They won’t really add up once you read the books either.
Almost everything has been retconed in some form or another
See I knew Hemet Nesingwary was Tom Bombadil AKA the one above all of Azeroth…er The Dwarf who Remains
Interesting, didn’t know they were calling the forces beings. I thought something was saying each of the first ones represented a cosmic force. I’ve got the page up from wowhead to read that whole book from the bazaar dungeon.
I just remembered a reference to a 7th power, so was being silly with my post =]
Don’t they even share the same multiverse now since there’s no real size to limit it? I was thinking there’s been some DC comics that specifically referenced the marvel stuff existing within their multiverse.
That’d be interesting. My brother just started playing SC2, and I’m thinking it’s been quite a long time, maybe I should do the same.
It’s fun seeing the art crossover. Draenei/Broken having so many similarities to Protoss and zerg to the various akir races and such.
First time I saw Hatuun during Legion I just went “Look, it’s Zeratul.”
I’m also hoping that since Azathoth sounds a lot Azeroth, that once she “hatches” or shows up, she’s not a complete moron.