The Road to Hell is lined with idiots. The Truth about Blitz is, WoW players have just gotten stupider

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tl;dr: WoW is a casual game that invites casual players, it’s unreasonable to expect anyone on your team in a PuG-shuffle to be ‘‘good;’’ and usually they aren’t. Accept it, move on. Skip Blitz and find a different game to PvP on.

I started off the road to hell today on my Demon Hunter and decided to get him to 1600 Rating in Blitz. My first 6 games, I stomp top damage as melee assassin, rake in 1400 MMR and cap a couple flags and return a few more. Then, moving into my sixth or seventh game, I notice I’m now being lobbied with the 1400-1500 players; and that’s where the problems begin.

Arathi Basin, no one spins flags, no one peels.

Gilneas, two warlocks on defense; between them both they have 20m damage by the end of the game. They never leave Lighthouse.

Mines, our rogue is teamfighting in mid instead of capping top and our hunter is AFK in lava all match with 0 cart caps. I notice /chat has become increasingly more toxic as I’ve moved into this bracket. My MMR goes from 1450 to 1413 to 1393 over the course of a few games. My healer buddy who’s with me who began at 1700 is now at 1597 and she is on a consecutive 7-loss streak. We are both top damage/healing in all of our games. Try as we might, we simply cannot carry.

Real talk, this is the problem:

WoW/Blizzard players have just gotten stupid. They’re smoking peacebloom, they’re taking pharma, they’re drooling over their keyboards at the screen. You can’t expect them to be able to CC a healer and pull off a DPS rotation at the same time. It’s the same thing as in HotS, and the reason that game died, the players sucked. The game was good. The system was good. It felt fun to play, but by God, the players sucked in HotS. So I’m sorry to say it. Sorry to shine the light. But the real, real, real reason you aren’t having fun in Blitz is:

Random PuGS suck, no matter the shuffle. The End.

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OP is right… And to add, thats why players queue syncing to form premades are making a killing right now.

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It’s random bg players who never did rated, what did you expect?

They will get sorted in their respective rating eventualy.

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I don’t think it’s fully a “stupid” player problem. People keep forgetting the number one rule: exploit early and often. That’s what is truly happening. Are you getting bad players? Of course you are. It’s more the fact that you are getting NOTHING but players that’s the real problem, sure the ranking system in wow is old and broken but what is happening in BGB is something deeper.

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Except there not. People that have gotten much higher than 1600 before are getting stuck not even reaching 1600.

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Like salmon swimming against the current.

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More like salmon swimming into a damn.

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Always have been. :gun:

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Tl;dr: WoW has become like HotS due to an ultra-casual playerbase, and the only true ‘‘win condition’’ is getting lucky enough to have the 2-3 decent players on your team instead of theirs.

That’s why players queue-syncing to form premades are making a killing right now.

Addressing this indirectly, yes.

MMR isn’t the problem. The game itself isn’t the problem. Healers being tough, DPS being bursty, e.g. whatever. None of that is the actual ‘‘problem.’’

The actual real reason so few people are not enjoying Blitz is: the players are terrible. WoW is a super casual/relaxed crowd. Peacebloom smokers and dudes looking to zone out. This isn’t LoL, this isn’t DotA, this isn’t even TF2 where people put up guides for their picks and study mechanics to try and chase Gold or Platinum. This is WoW. You cannot earnestly expect people to be good. So when Team 2 gets three good players and your team gets 1, you lose. When team 1 gets four good players and team 2 gets only 2, you lose. You will rarely, if ever, except once in a blue moon, get 8 good players versus 8 good players. And even then, you will physically feel that match to your core; and that’s the one white horse that keeps you coming back.

Which, going back to your point, is why these boosters are having such an easy time, sure. One teamfight won in the 1500 bracket completely ‘‘knocks out’’ a casual team of players. They get demotivated and afk in base, the end.

I appreciate you, I respect you, but I seriously doubt there’s anything deeper going on with Blitz whatsoever. I just think we all like to believe WoW has more potential than it truly does as a PvP title, and our confusion is due to an unwillingness to accept that the game’s playerbase is truly disappointing.

The proof is in Heroes of the Storm. That game died because it was marketed as being too casual. If you’ve played it, you’ll know exactly what I mean. Matchmaking/lobbying on that game is hell. 5 assassins vs 5 assassins, no tanks, no healers; the games are a roflstomp for either side, which coincidentally is exactly what is happening to WoW. How many games have you been in lately that’ve been 11 honorable kills to 50 honorable kills for the opposing side? Be really, truly honest with yourselves: how many? If you haven’t noticed this yet, start keeping score. I can gurantee you this game promises very few close matches because all it takes is a few lions to eat eight sheep. If your team was unlucky and unfortunate enough to get seven of those eight sheep, you are one dead lion.

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It’s like this in every game. This isn’t a problem unique to WoW.

Something that people forget is that if you’re even reading the forums here, or watching any youtube videos about WoW, or joined any Discords on the game, or anything like that (not even talking about participating, but just reading or watching), you’re already a hardcore player in the top 20% of the player base.
80% of players of a game don’t ever go outside the game. And less than 10% ever participate in things outside of the game (posting a comment, talking in discord, etc).

We’re literally all hardcore players here, just by posting on these forums.

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Or, fortify your resolve and have fun?

You can only play your toon, and can only be in one place at a time.

Look inward.

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Wow, and all other games are spoiled by exploiters, and their need to be seen the cream of the crop. Spoils everything.

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I CALL BULL!!!

Sorry but I am not buying into it… I could understand if this game was attracting tons of new people, but its not. WoW is packed w diehard fans, who have played for years, they know how to use the 20 mandatory addons, they can make their own weak auras and macros…

So all of a sudden ALL of the player do not know what they are doing? Naaaa, something else is going on here. It stinks, I smell BULL.

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Or, they’ve never known what they are doing and the vast majority have only played in random BGs.

Being random players, doing random things.

I suspect there was good reasons people had difficulty getting into groups in LFG.

When RSS came out as rated, it was a farce.

The same has happened for Blitz.

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Been playing since vanilla and yeah it’s been that way since vanilla.
Again, we’re all hard core players in the forums. Top 10% of the player base if you’re even making any posts about the game here or elsewhere.
Most players don’t even PvP, and of those that do, most don’t do rated in any kind of serious manner, and out of those that do, only a small percentage are getting a high rating.

You, and I, and everyone else posting on the PvP section of the forums, are probably in the top 1% of players when it comes to PvP, compared to all the players of the game.

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Dang, that just tells me the game is dead on the pvp side…

Nothing left but a few players and a bunch of high end, washed up elites that cant cut it in the big esports titles.

Just checked the group finder for RBGs, there was only 1 group listed, and it was an advertisement for RMT boosting lol… game is cooked.

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No, that’s not what I meant at all.
This 80/20 rule holds true for most games, though the actual percentages may vary.
In general, 80% of a game’s players never go outside of the game for anything about the game. This means 80% of a game’s players will never go on a Discord for the game, they’ll never watch Twitch or YouTube videos about the game, they’ll never even open up the game’s forums or reddit. They will log on to play the game, and then log off.

And only about 8% of the players of a game will ever interact with anything outside of the game, such as making a post on the forums, leaving a comment on a video, or speaking in Discord.

Again, the actual numbers might vary a bit depending on the type of game, but in general this holds true.
Now consider how many of those players would be both a mostly PvP player AND post here? A very, very small percentage of the overall player base.

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I’m going to reply to you because frankly, I see you trolling these forums all the time with your weird, superior attitude.

Did you ever consider, Forum, that you might’ve gotten your win streak in BG Blitz a lot sooner than the rest of us did, and the only reason you’re playing in the 2000’s bracket on your character is out of pure luck?

You waltz around pretending the reason you’re in Blitz 2k+ MMR and are immune to WoW fatigue is because you’re some kind of Zen savant who knows the ins-and-outs of your own character. Literally, your post history is a portfolio of you acting better than everyone else, whilst mainly only responding to threads by calling out the players who are frustrated with poorly optimised Blizzard’s PvP systems. So you’re a bully, as well. Which, let’s be fair, being a bully on a WoW PvP forum is the definition of ‘‘pathetic.’’

Let me (https:// wowpedia. fandom. com/wiki/ Dismantle) you. If the truth is (as I suspect) that the only reason some players are hard stuck in 1500 MMR but also happen to be in 2000 MMR on some of their alts is because they were lucky enough to get queued into the team with the better players…

… that means you were carried to 2000+ MMR! And now, all your teams have at least 3-4 good players (due to being in the higher bracket) – which, as I’ve already established, is the ‘‘fun/win’’ condition – so now, you’re likely having more fun than we are because you’re privileged enough to have access to the better assortment of teams.

Let me clarify, you’re likely still getting bad games, sure. But more often than not, you’re getting more even games than we are as well. Meanwhile, the rest of us unlucky sods have to deal with game, after game, after game, after game, after game, after game, /after game/, of catching strays from being paired up with 1400 MMR players who don’t even know the basics of their tool kit.

Tl;dr, you’re privileged speaking from a privileged position, maybe try spending a week doing Blitz as an Enhance Shaman or a Brewmaster Tank in 1400 MMR, eating mouthfuls of sand each match because your team doesn’t know how to set you up or enable you, and we’ll see if you’re still having:

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Completely agree with Leynia here. Even back in 2008-2009 when I was playing as a 13-14 year old kid, my BGs were filled with people getting 3-4 kills per match. The Orc DK with 13 kills was a rarity. Meanwhile, I was taking off heads with 27 kills and 3 flag caps. Half the players wouldn’t know how to stop you. Most matches you’d do were filled with only one good player who would become your nemesis for the entire Warsong Gulch. You’d go to flag room, he was there. You’d go to mid, he’d be hunting you. This was what BGs were actually like. They weren’t packed with tonnes of people who knew how to play the game. They were filled with cute noobs who died pretty easy to hard CC/slows and one arch nemesis who you’d get to know by name. The fun was in finding out who was the badass on their team was, and – given you were the only players playing objectives – seeing which one of you could outwit the other.

To the point, WoW players haven’t gotten any better. The only difference is, the damage comes easier to them. The burst is now a couple button presses away; Blizzard made damage accessible. So now, most players can actually kill you without good mechanics because Rapid Fire doesn’t take prisoners and neither do 4 sets of Warlock curses or a Fury Warrior slobbering down your throat.

The game has always been ultra casual. The only difference it makes to us is, how ultra-ultra casual is your PuG, and do they at least know how to press their CCs?

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