The Purge of Dalaran was bad writing (and BfA)

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Do you really want my full and honest opinion about the Purge of Dalaran Folks? Well I will tell you.

The Real Reason why the Purge of Dalaran happened was because people complained and rant about how much a good peacekeeper Jaina was and they quote on quote don’t like peaceful good characters or just Characters who can’t do questionable moral acts. So They needed Garrosh to became a Evil Orc and pretty much Kill all of Theramore by the Bombing of Theramore who by the way wasn’t just Orcs but also a Blood Elf that also helped Garrosh captured the Mana Bomb and kill not only the Last remains of the Alliance of Lordaeron but innocents of Children, Women, High Elves, Dwarves, and everyone in that city all to make the Horde look cool and edgy of being genecidely maniacs. Plus not to mention that the Bombing of Theramore was also bad writing because it killed alot of characters that some people cared about but who cares they’re boring and they’re boring good characters anyways.

So now we get to Jaina even after losing everyone that she cared about and was rightful angry with the Horde. We get to Dalaran in general. Now the Sunreavers were suppose to be neutral but however due to being forced and threaten by Garrosh if they didn’t get the Bell in Darnassus who as a Horde Player in which you kill the Night Elves in this Scenario of where you kill the Sentinel Leader after the Alliance safety guards the Bell and Plus Dalaran who lost Rhonin at the time turned to Jaina for her connections with the Alliance after the Bell was Stolen. Jaina was rightful angry and calls out Aethas and Sunreavers for their betray of using Kirin Tor Resources and of course betraying them time and time again after not looking after their own which is Thalen Songweaver.

In the the Scenario Jaina calls out Aethas and the Guards was about to get ready to ether fight or kill her on the spot while you may say it’s self defense. Pointing a spell or weapon at someone is kind of threaten and leads to murder. After Jaina in self defense deals with the Guards she then ices Aethas and locks him up. Now in the Scenario of the Purge itself. Many People including my own Sibling who still has a hatered of Jaina and continues to talk or bring this up time, and time again. That this is mass genocide and that Jaina is still a mass murderer when clearly people including my darn sibling fails to see that what’s the difference between retaking a city or clearing out the City that is full of enemies who is dangerous to the Faction and set nation of Kirin Tor vs how Garrosh killed millions in the Bombing of Theramore with set help of Blood Elves by Thalen Songweaver, Sylvanas with set help of the whole horde and Blood Elves against Night Elves, and etc.

In the Purge of Dalaran from the Alliance point of view. You go into places where you see shopkeepers and store owners and arrest them or pretty much stop them from stealing and looting stuff from the City itself like the bank, stores, and etc and only time that you do kill them is ether they have spells that can attack you or weapons in hand. So they’re not really the innocent race as everyone else thinks they are but of course we gotta make Jaina a Blonde Hair Character Evil because she still is mass genocide maniac and continues that arguement to this very day.

As someone who plays the alliance more and is not really happy of how the Alliance is written in a way like that about Jaina doesn’t deserve justice for her surviving Lorderaon Kin or how Genn is a evil worgen killing innocent undead who can’t recreate life in stormheim, or Tyrande is crazy because of the Horde burned their her people and homeland while the Horde including the Blood Elves who probably did more questionable things in the Lore that is crime or leads to killing the Race and the Alliance Faction as a whole who paints themselves as victims and abused race and are innocent but clearly they have been shown time and time again that they are kind of selfish and too prideful and ignorant even during the Second War when they refuse to even sent help which is what created so call Garithos into the Warcraft 3 Story to begin with.

But if you really want my true honest opinion of all of this folks is that I really wish that the Purge of Dalaran never happened or was handle poorly or how the Bombing of Theramore didn’t happened as well. I can excuse some Story plots in the Story of WoW but Mists wasn’t really a good in writing when it comes down to the faction war and how mess up and butchered they ruined good characters. I think Mists of Pandaria single handly ruined Jaina because people complained about having good peaceful characters. That to me is the problem with the Alliance of the now or the Story of the now is that people want edgy story writing like game of thrones and morally grey story plots that don’t make no sense so we got to do some genocide plots of taking good characters who were victums of a mass genocide by the same race who left the alliance and joined the horde and was ok with killing innocent men, women, and children, in the story of the game to pretty much painting her as the evil mass killer and still to this very day.

Honestly I am sick in tried of it not just from my sibling alone but also everyone within the community about the Purge of Dalaran 100 Percent. But anyways that’s my rant and honestly opinions. You can dislike it or disagree with me but at the end of the day. I’m tried of the stupid dreadlord jaina memes or World War 2 Memes in general or making Good Characters evil in general. Because I’m sick of it and if I was a wow writer I probably retcon Mists of Pandaria into more of a better story then what we got.

That’s my two cents and Strong Honest Opinion.

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If they wanted to have the title of “neutral,” they shouldn’t have defended EITHER side.

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“Black people” isn’t a nation-state. Nor are the NCAA or Black Panthers. “All the black people” aren’t living in the U.S. via some diplomatic agreement made between the Nation of NCAA and the U.S. government to let them live there.

That is the circumstance with the blood elves in Dalaran. They weren’t neutral. They’re Horde. Aethas expressly had to get his own government’s permission from Lor’themar to formalize his request that Dalaran readmit Horde members from Siivermoon to the city. The built-in presumption of such an arrangement is that if either government initiates wartime hostility against the other, the Horde loyalists in Dalaran will be kicked out as readily as any visiting Dalaran citizenry in Orgrimmar would be kicked out for the same reason.

Sloppy fantasy trope nomenclature aside, “blood elf” isn’t a race unto itself. It’s a political affiliation. Specifically, a Horde-aligned political affiliation. Which makes them all subject to any agreement that involves relations between Dalaran and the Horde concerning their disposition as foreign nationals from one living in the city of the other.

They weren’t just random migrants who found their way to living in Dalaran on their own. Horde citizens getting to live there as Horde citizens was part of an agreement negotiated by Aethas between Dalaran and the Horde/Silvermoon, and therefore subject to the consequences of that agreement being overtly breached by Garrosh’s shenanigans.

They aren’t a “hate group.” They exist to oppose the Horde’s presence in Dalaran. Their problems with the blood elves are rooted firmly in policies. Initially including the policies of leeching mana from living things and tolerating use of the fel, but most significantly the policy of being in the Horde. It’s never been about them being a different “race.” Because they aren’t. Blood and high elves are the same race.

If standing in opposition to a political faction makes them a hate group, then every single political party IRL that isn’t unopposed in its own country is a hate group. Every one. Literally the only parties exempt from such a standard would be those who’ve dictatorially eliminated organized dissent in order to rule their peoples without political opposition.

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Didn’t this get later retconned to “Actually it wasn’t the Twilight Hammer it was Garrosh because we definitely always intended him to be a villain.”

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Nah, it was the Twilight’s Hammer.

Though it’s not as cut-and-dried as them framing the whole thing top-to-bottom either. The reason their ruse actually worked was because Garrosh did have troops operating throughout Ashenvale in violation of the Horde’s then-current agreement with the night elves. His soldiers weren’t the ones skinning Sentinels alive and ambushing druids, but the on-again-off-again skirmishes between small bands of legit Horde forces and night elf patrols allowed the cultists’ activities to be contextualized as part of what was already going on.

If Garrosh had been honoring the treaty at the time, those incidents would have stood out as shockingly unexpected aberrations and invited suspicion from all sides. Unfortunately he wasn’t really honoring it, so with actual Horde troops intruding on night elf territory he got the blame for what appeared to observers to be a heinous escalation of the limited (though still technically improper) military operations he’d actually endorsed.

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The Kirin Tor itself is supposed to be neutral, though, and members of the Kirin Tor are not supposed to be working to further the interests of their factions. As long as the Sunreavers are in Dalaran, they are expected to be neutral and not actively working for the Horde. Which 99.9% of them stuck to.

Now, you could make a case for Dalaran expelling the entire group on the basis of the actions of a few of the members, but what actually happened was far more extreme than just explusion.

Honestly, the more we learn about how things have been going behind the scenes, the more I’m wondering whether the lack of matchup between the Alliance version and the Horde version is due to either lack of communication or actual competition between devs to impose their preferred storyline.

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What you say makes no sense. Dalaran was pretty much acting like a UN peacekeeping force. They were not there to kill the Horde but to stop either side from killing one another.

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You can say they were right. You can say they were virtuous. You just can’t say they were neutral.

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As an Alliance player I wish Dalaran would finally rejoin the rest of the kingdoms of the Alliance teleport the city right above orgrimmar as they rain arcane fire on them as they did in the first war.
Trust me this dalaran neutrality is not fun either but they were being neutral by getting in the way of the war rather than joining the blue side.

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He left before it was resolved but he had already made the declaration that no Horde would ever be turned over to the Alliance. And that ignore the fact he never should have put Garrosh on the Thrall but because he wanted his people to have “pride” well they did eventually get pride. Sha of pride to be exact.

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The opposition to the Horde had a very racial basis to it at the time, and so is their mindset to the Blood Elves.

A lot of the Sunreavers were literally citizens of Dalaran that were forced elsewhere by the Third War, part of that because of Kirin Tor inaction during the attempted mass-execution of Blood Elves (there was no real distinction that mattered at the time). Rommath literally cites this as a reason for joining the Horde. The Sunreavers basically represent their people’s interests in having a place in a city they had called home for a very long time.

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Disagree. They involved themselves in the war, which means they weren’t neutral. And they were actively supporting the blue side even if they weren’t formally part of the blue forces. They never did anything to prevent Blue from attacking Red; they did attempt to prevent Red from attacking Blue.

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You tried.

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While we know the Alliance decided it was the Horde’s work, we don’t know what sort of investigate the Horde carried out in regards to the incident just that suspicions fell on Garrosh for his open contempt of the treaty.

I just know that by the Legion both sides apparently discovered the truth and I’m rather bummed that we never got to personally kill Gorkrak, who incidentally was a mission table target during BfA.

The night elves placed the on embargo as a result of the Wrathgate.

It was always bothered me that Varian didn’t apparently know about their presence considering his shock, surprise, and later outrage over the purge.

The real irony for me that it was Aethas who made the deciding vote to aid Theramore by arguing not interfering was tactically supporting the Horde in their conquest. Though Rhonin expressed the hope that their presence would make the Horde back down from attacking, he and his fellow Kirin Tor agents pledged to fight and defend the city.

Meanwhile I’m just wondering what sort of track record Thalen had before this to have Rhonin personally vouch for him to come and help defend Theramore from the Horde.

The Twilight’s Hammer were still responsible but according to Chronicles Volume 3 Garrosh also had his own operatives operating within Ashenvale.

To be fair to Thrall, he was completely right when he pointed out that other Alliance leaders like Varian wouldn’t turn over their citizens to Horde justice if the situation was reversed. However the lack of non-orc candidates for Warchief, though I got his age concerns with the likes of Cairne and Saurfang, was a let down… as was choosing Garrosh based on popularity, especially after Garrosh outright told him to his face that he shouldn’t be Warchief.

It really makes me wonder how different things could have been if Saurfang Jr. survived to become Warchief as he was Thrall’s first choice or if Thrall made Vol’jin Warchief from the get-go.

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The Alliance at least has something resembling a criminal justice system where the accused is given the right to defend themselves, even if it falls far short of modern IRL standards.

Does the Horde even have any equivalent? Mak’goras and summary executions seem to be the general rule. Not wanting to subject someone to the Horde’s criminal justice system seems to more sympathetic than the inverse IMO.

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criminal justice seems to be something left up to the races to meet out internally for both the horde and alliance. As any development of the legal and judicial systems in wow are paper thin, we dont have a lot on them for anyone.

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I suspect the Alliance getting a “stop the prison break” dungeon while the Horde got a “stomp out the Shadow Council in this random lava cave” instead as far as city dungeons go may have something to do with the process not being particularly known in Orgrimmar.

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All I know is usury is illegal in Kul Tiras and they hang people in Boralus for it

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Between you and me. I honestly wished that Dalaran was finally part of the Alliance instead of being Neutral. Plus the Horde can have their own Mage Society within a another Horde only City.

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To me, that is the worst part of the portrayal of the Alliance. Until Varian, you can chalking things up to Jaina’s hatred. But then the leader of the Alliance is all “this is very inconvenient” with no hint that he considered imprisoning innocent people because of their race and killing anyone who resisted (and a few more) wrong in any way.

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