Not really they weren’t defending the barrens from the alliance. In real life if they defended a city like theramore a country would of seen that as a declaration of war.
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Cause the Alliance doesn’t have a history of civilian slaughter like the Horde does.
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Alliance does have a history of civilian slaughter. Daelin, target horde civilians even went as far as deforest the area. There was camp taurajo, there was Garithos who tried to kill all the blood elfs.
Even all this aside, it was a topic of neutrality. In real life, if your natural you do not defend the other group. You do not get in the way of resources or weapons. Again these are real life examples.
Not trying to say horde is better then the alliance or what not. Just saying Dalaran’s neutrality was a joke. They even had storm wind guards in the city for crying out loud. This was the same city that tried to wipe out the blood elfs with Garithos.
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Where does this thing with Theramore neutrality come from? They have been Alliance since inception.
Dalaran was help defend it. So it wasn’t really neutral.
Sorry are we talking about dalaran neutrality or theramore? I got confused.
As set out in “Tides of War”:
a) The Horde/Alliance were at peace in between Cata and MoP;
b) Garrosh attacking Theramore started hostilities;
c) The intent of Dalaran sending its forces to Theramore was to dissuade Garrosh from attacking at all - simialr to how peacekeepers work.
Yes, it is stupid that the Horde/Alliance were at peace after Cata, but that’s the situation “Tides of War” sets out.
*Edited to fix error.
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bro, attacking Theramore wasn’t the start of hostilities. It was the wrath gate, and the alliance invaded under city after. Before theramore was attacked, alliance was sending troops to the barrens though the city. Who were attack the horde and even killed civilians.
That isn’t how peacekeeper work, if Theramore was openly attacking the horde and now you defending it. That is a break of neutrality.
Real life example, Afghanstian attacked USA on 911 and some third country is defending it. that wouldn’t be seen as neutral more as an act of war for joining it enemies.
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There was an intervening period of peace after LK, and again after Cata.
See p.20 of “Tides of War” - a Forsaken protests that attacking Theramore will start a war, and p.23 of “Tides of War” where Eitrigg says the same thing.
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Read what he said. Wrathgate incident got a peace treaty offscreen before being immediately broken by the Horde so we can see the Horde aggression.
So not only the Horde responsible for Wrathgate (indirectly) but also for breaking the peace that was established. You know just to make sure at no point is the Horde justified on any level when the conflict starts.
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Your right, but it set off a chain of events. Night elfs stoped tradeing with the horde, who needed the trade as they were straving which again pushed horde for war. I am not saying horde didn’t start it or what not.
I am just saying Theramore wasn’t netural defending Theramore wasn’t natural. As Theramore was sending troops to attack the horde first.
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Peacekeepers work by putting a neutral force between two hostile forces in the hope that the hostile forces will be dissuaded from attacking. See p.134 of “Tides of War” where Jaina makes the argument to the Kirin Tor that the Horde may not attack if they see Dalaran forces in Theramore.
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Again in game before you attack Theramore in horde questing. You see troops from theramore destory camp Taurajo, they were sending troops to occupy barrens. This is in game, and was also the reason horde attacked the city.
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Camp Taurajo took place during Cata. “Tides of War” takes place in between Cata and MoP. Whatever happened during Cata, the Horde and Alliance were not engaged in open hostilities before Theramore.
Look, I am not saying that it makes a heck of a lot of sense, but it’s what the novel tells us.
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I do not know what to say bro, I do not know how they were not engaged in open hostilities when stuff like camp taurajo took place. There was battles in most horde zones with the alliance.
but whatever it is blizzard writing at it’s finest.
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I mean they were engaged in open hostilities during Cata, including Camp T. However, as Blizzard seems to do all the time, off screen between Cata and MoP, they were at peace.
Does that make any sense? Nope. But it goes along with Blizzard wanting to make Garrosh the big bad guy for MoP.
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Agreed, no wonder the story has been bad since Wrath.
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Yup. I have maintained for some time that Cata is the root cause of where we are today. They decided to bring the faction conflict to the foreground at the same time that they were doing a massive overhaul of the world. They ran out of time, and half ^&%&*^%ed a lot of it. Cata is really where things like “Horde bias!” and the toxicity amongst the player base begins, in my view.
And I feel like they have been trying to fix what they unleashed ever since. However, in MoP and WoD, they just dug the hole deeper. Legion was a bit of a breather - albeit an imperfect one in how it ignored Horde characters to a large extent. And then BfA, they exchanged their shovel for a backhoe and started digging the hole at turbo speed.
And now they have eroded so much trust with the player base from both factions that I don’t know how they fix it. We are now trained to parse any new development to the nth degree with suspicious minds. It’s sad.
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And all this constant peace being broken by Horde aggression over and over again makes it clear that BFA accomplished nothing in terms of:
“Why will the Horde respect their neighbors and want to live in peace this time?” Vengeance? Renewal? Both of these are irrelevant when you got an impending doom hanging over your head and how can you even try to renew when the threat of annihilation is at your door step? There is just zero security or safety to protect that renewal.
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ya i know what you mean, for over 10 years now all I wanted was to play horde as I was promised by its description. I want to be the hero of my own story, not just get development for villain batting.
Out side of villain batting horde is ignored or does the bear minimal in neutral settings. Maybe going forward blizzard should just always have 2 stories one for the horde the other alliance even in neutral settings. As of now our faction lacking in characters or even doing anything meaningful out of faction wars where again everything is villain batted.
Like wtf happen to thrall, why did he get depowered while everyone else and their mother became stronger and stronger.
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