so once again, we have a new raid and once again im having the same problem and that’s getting into “AOTC” groups. I cannot get into these groups, because I dont have the AOTC achievement. but I cannot get AOTC if no one will invite me so it’s a vicious circle. TOnight I whispered the raid lead of a heroic AOTC group and was super nice. I said “hey i dont have aotc but ive studied all the fights on youtube. if i mess up once, please feel free to kick me but at least give me a chance.”
his response. “sorry but this is an aotc group only. you need aotc to get in so pls link aotc.”
my response, “i dont have aotc because no one will invite me so that i can get a chance at getting aotc.”
his response, “then i cant invite you sorry. its not hard to get aotc if youre geared.”
me “…”
Blizzard needs to do something about AOTC achievement. I feel like its just a way for the elite to keep the rest of us casuals down. That’s just my opinion. but i feel there has to be another acheivement that we can use to prove to these groups that we are actually good at raiding or good at pve.
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Groups that are ‘AOTC groups’ have already progressed through the raid. They aren’t looking to take people who haven’t done it because they don’t want to teach it, they just want to blast through it as fast as they can. There are plenty of groups that are progressing as well, try getting into one of those groups. Or, create and lead your own group and you can set your own standards / requirements. Blizzard isn’t going to do anything about a community ‘problem’, if you can even call it a problem.
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Been getting by using Fake Achievement since MOP.
Best part is if the Raid Lead or anyone notices I just got AotC and spazzes even though I did nothing wrong.
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- Make your own group
- Run with a guild
Two timeless options that work and solve your “problem”.
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stares at 100k gold collecting dust
AOTC groups are easy to get in.
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but how did the first AOTCs get AOTC?
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I thought the devs said they solved the chicken/egg problem with Zereth Mortis?
Just buy a boost like half the people in those groups do
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CE boost is probably the best value IMO. Then you can call yourself a CE raider and still get the AotC mount too.
There is such a thing as an obligation to the group to show up prepared. The reason people set standards like this is because so many people don’t think there is.
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Why falsely call yourself that. Easier to be shameless and do it for mount alone plus other fomo.
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Because it’s a video game and I can 
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Don’t feel too left out, many of these “AOTC only” groups are largely miss.
I used to “buy” my first AoTC kill so I could talk @#$! when the AOTC people would screw up on mechanics.
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people who put in their time to do progression, don’t want to do it again over and over with random strangers.
also, how other players choose to make their groups is not a problem
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Blizzard can not do anything about this considering it is a player created problem. You can buy your way to AOTC easy enough so it is sad that players use this as a measuring stick. In reality AOTC means nothing but players have put value on it. I have been in AOTC groups where players obviously know nothing of the fight (buy runs much?) but still get in.
I hate to sound like a broken record but this game is no fun with randoms. If you do not have friends you play with on a regular basis this game will end up being a major source of frustration for the majority of players.
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Have you considered joining a guild?
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Fomo is the only reason i grind that achieve
When i came back in legion i accidentally got it in EN. Then i was like crap well i gotta get it now.
Got aotc ever since but man i wish i could just say screw it or it went away
i pugged everyone except uldir, cn, and sod
Guilds are the way to go though for sure.
find a raiding guild who is pushing for it and make yourself irreplaceable to their raid team
teach them the fights
get your aotc and fight the gm for dominance and the guild
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actually they could. not that they will. the answer while obvious is just too easy: remove AOTC achievement.
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