The problem isn’t that Baine did something “good”

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War is ugly. What about all the Civilians the alliance has killed since the game came out? I guess that’s okay.

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Agree, I like Sylvanas, just think that people on both sides are angry and on horde side their race wasn’t chosen. Is there more to her behavior, probably but people want to skip to the end of the story and read the last page at this point.

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Sylvanas and the forsaken are all about free will. From being raised by the Val’kyr in Deathknell (Cata onwards), you are given a choice to stay undead or go back to the grave. (for gameplay reasons your character is not given this option for obvious reasons)

Sylvanas however was planning on mind controlling Derek, basically going against the forsaken ideology. Even Bolvar gave the Four Horsemen a choice to join the Ebon Blade or return to the grave.

It is funny how it tends to be undead players who are getting triggered by Baine’s actions even though Baine is upholding the Forsaken’s own beliefs.

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Because Baine is weak. If he were leader we’d be turned into one faction under the alliance. :roll_eyes: He and his father were both hand holding hippies.

I mean, he even let the person who killed his father and a large portion of the tauren of Thunderbluff walk free…

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Gotta love Whataboutisms

You do know that Whataboutisms isn’t an actual defense.

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I’m sorry, you can’t burn innocents and children and then turn around and say you’re not evil.

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Yes, they were tauren. Thats how that works.

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An expansion does not have to exclusively focus on and force an Alliance vs Horde conflict to have solid, well-written faction conflicts.

Cata had rising tensions and skirmishes/ battles leading into MoP, where both factions were actively fighting (and committed terrible acts against each other, though the Horde went further in that department) until Garrosh went full bonkers and the rest of the Horde realized they could either admit they needed aid or get obliterated by him.

Then came Draenor, where the faction conflict was mostly contained by the presence of a third faction that sought to kill both of us combined with the halfway-kinda-somewhat detente following the conclusion of Garrosh’s storyline. It made sense for the conflict to be limited.

Legion started testing boundaries and creating tensions/conflicts again, mostly in the nature of conflicting interests (primarily between Sylvanas and Greymane), which… somehow snowballed into “I wanna watch the world burn and stuff :grin:” from Sylvanas. Problem is… aside from our two initial conflicts, the majority of the war has been waged by proxies, those being the Kul’tirans and Zandalari. Most of the war post-prepatch has been a cold war, with very few actual battles. 8.1 represents the first actual conflict since pre-8.0.1, and then another existential threat will come along to stop the war.

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My suspicion is that Baine is being set up to become the next warchief and engage in complete and total neutrality between the facations because blizzard either wants to mess with the faction concept or they just want an ultra passive horde leader so they can focus on other enemies than us fighting among ourselves

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Depends on which ones you’re referencing. And we need specific examples, not just “well they dun it sometime you know”.

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If you don’t know the lore of the game and I have to hold your hand through everything, there’s no point in talking to you. There’s a plethora of examples.

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Yet you cant seem to name any… :thinking:

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Found the edge-boy that doesn’t know the difference between good/evil.

Know all those despots in the history books that folks are always calling so evil? Yeah, they killed thousands/millions of innocents instead of only focusing on military targets too.

Obviously a gross oversimplification AND it’s just a game, but still. Sylvanas is clearly evil. It’s not a matter of perspective in this case. Miss “kill my own soldiers and raise them” isn’t a good character anymore.

Blizz’s bad writing saw to that.

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Either you’re going to cite the examples you are referencing, or there’s no reason for you to reference them. That’s no different than citing a book and refusing to provide a page number for the in-text citation.

I want to know which events you are referring to.

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Its not even bad writing, she’s been evil since Cataclysm. Her character has been consistently evil for 8 years. I dont know why people are only just now catching on.

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Bad writing since just after wotlk.*

Sorry, didn’t specify.

She seriously used to be a well done character with proper goals and what-not but now she’s just an edge-queen that hates the living/hope/everything-other-than-Nathanos.

Just wish they’d kill her off already. Ruined the character enough as is. lmao

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Honestly, I just dislike where they’ve taken her character. They didn’t have to drag the Horde through the mud with her; instead of the Horde building into yet another resistance, they could’ve made things interesting by forcing her out of the Warchief seat after Legion leading to an internal power play and betrayal conflict.

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Because Camp Tuarjo equates to genocide.

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It’s war. If you guys get to do it, then so do we. :man_shrugging:

#Forthehorde #forthegoblinminers #forcamptuarjo

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Could it please go back to “you’re back just in time to save Vol’jin”? Please?

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