The Problem is Contamination

[Senatrix-gallywix]

This is funny, both when it is true, and when it is cringe.

The EXACT Moment Accolonn Lost It with WoW and Danuser!

[Misanthra-old-blanchy]

Basically.

the forced pvp lead off is a sign.

no one forced/forces (in wrath c) you to a pvp server. that is a player choice. pvp happens on pvp servers. on an unlucky night even on the 99% servers of wrath…you can die to the 1% lol.

if not into pvp…that is a min maxer choice since pvp servers become hot spots for some reason.

that to me is like not liking country music. and then going to a honky tonk. and complaining about its music.

[Krutz-bleeding-hollow]

@Misanthra-old-blanchy

Basically

I honestly pity you.

There’s no way you read the whole post and came to that conclusion.

Maybe you skimmed a few sentences?

I’m not sure. But either, you have no attention span, or poor reading comprehension.

Just pity; no contempt.

[Souldrake-gurubashi]

Problem is….raiding is by far the more difficult content. 5 man is easy to organize and not as much memory for five man scripted content. And here’s the thing if you die all the time in raiding it’s because you are out of position or standing in stuff. Healers can’t carry you. But you can get carried by heals and tank in five man. But the loot is so easy to get and it’s fast compared to raiding. Blizz can’t unring that bell. M+ will always be a loot trough for casual players. And to change will mean big unsubs

[Krutz-bleeding-hollow]

@Souldrake-gurubashi

But the loot is so easy to get and it’s fast compared to raiding

That’s all perfectly fine.

Just make that loot solely for M+ and diminish its impact on other activities.

Just like other activities will have a diminished impact on M+

[Baalzebarbie-azuresong]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

MoP legendary cloak.

And then throughout WoW the must have trinkets that you can only raid for you needed to compete in pvp.

But you didnt need it to do your chosen content. If you just had to have it, you just have to do the content to get the reward!

[Baalzebarbie-azuresong]

@Magefroom-stormrage

@Krutz-bleeding-hollow

Make each activity its own progression path and prevent it from bleeding into the others.

So if I enjoy everything I should carry around 40 sets of gear? A M+ set, a raid set, an open world set, a BG set, and an arena set? Nah, thanks.

you dont have to carry them around…you have a bank. thats only 5 sets. dont know where the other 35 came from.

[Baalzebarbie-azuresong]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

@Magefroom-stormrage

So if I enjoy everything I should carry around 40 sets of gear? A M+ set, a raid set, an open world set, a BG set, and an arena set? Nah, thanks.

All gear should work in open world lol.

you dont need your god gear unbalancing open world. the content doesnt require it.

[Stabmcstabby-aegwynn]

Let blizzard continue sprinkling new zones with worthless collectable, call it a day, and pat themselves on the back for apparently giving casuals something to do. I gave up saying what I would like to see in this game, because the answer is always the same. Even if I tell them I don’t want worthless ilvl gain which will only be meaningless the following patch, the answer is STILL the same. I’m tired of hearing the same answer, which is “you all are coming to get our mythic gear and take our jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebs.”

[Illinoiz-sulfuras]

@Krutz-bleeding-hollow

Back in the day, people got tired of being forced to PVP 24/7

No, that’s not accurate at all. Back in the day you had a choice between RP, PvE, and PvP servers. It was clearly communicated that rolling on a PvP server means you’re subject to other players ganking you. If you rolled a PvP server, you weren’t forced into anything you hadn’t forced upon yourself. Could of rolled PvE.

[Ottyr-wyrmrest-accord]

Also War Mode was introduced in BFA when they got rid of PVP servers.

[Krutz-bleeding-hollow]

@Illinoiz-sulfuras

Back in the day you had a choice between RP, PvE, and PvP servers

And what do you think eventually occurred, mate? People got tired of it.

[Illinoiz-sulfuras]

@Illinoiz-sulfuras

It was clearly communicated that rolling on a PvP server means you’re subject to other players ganking you. If you rolled a PvP server, you weren’t forced into anything you hadn’t forced upon yourself. Could of rolled PvE.

You clearly looked over this part.

[Krutz-bleeding-hollow]

@Illinoiz-sulfuras

You clearly looked

People got tired of it regardless of willingly opting into it.

If they hadn’t, Blizzard would not have made warmode.

It’s as simple as that.

[Ottyr-wyrmrest-accord]

Hi goalposts bye goalposts

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

@Ratjay-bloodhoof

Many things “can” be done.
Not all are easy, practical or feasible to do.

I am sure it’s easier to do then what your what you think.

If they have the ability to give spells weaker effects in pvp content, then they can make “has this ilvl in m+” easy on gear.

@Sarama-firetree

True, but power rewards are generally a lot better encouragement.

Pvpers don’t get much player power, and yet they still pvp because;

A. It’s actually fun
B. The cosmetic rewards gives them the drive to play it.

@Baalzebarbie-azuresong

you dont need your god gear unbalancing open world. the content doesnt require it

Open world content had always been a joke to pver’s that do dungeons or pvp geared players.

[Dangerz-dalaran]

I admit I’m a dabbler, I do a little mythic + I do a little raiding…I do average outdoor content…The only thing I do not do is pvp/arenas…and I don’t do war mode…nor do I do pet battles…and that’s my enjoyment

[Elaranella-cairne]

@Mythosaur-frostwolf

if i recall you had to do that in vanilla
example the feral druids Manual Crowd Pummeler this need to be farmed every time

But farming a dungeon for a specific piece does not even compare to running high keys over and over just so you can get SOME GEAR from SOMEWHERE since the raid never gives you crap and on top of that there’s a timer and a bunch of extra mechanics that don’t have any thematic purpose. M+ players and Raiders are simply different types of people and neither should feel obligated to step into each others domain in order to succeed in their own.

[Greatbrae-dalaran]

@Elaranella-cairne

M+ players and Raiders are simply different types of people and neither should feel obligated to step into each others domain in order to succeed in their own.

This.

M+ players that enjoys it is generally the same crowd of people that likes speed running games. And not everyone likes speed running.

[Elaranella-cairne]

I hâte It. I can tolerate it two or three times a week in mid range keys. And that’s it. It’s stressful. Games aren’t supposed to give you anxiety.

In a raid you have as much downtime and regrouping as you want. The only timers are enrage timers. You can’t stop halfway through a key to go bio or take a ten or strategize on discord because you’ll brick the key. That is such a huge turn off for so many including myself.