If it’s not in game, it’s not canon any more than the movie was as far as I’m concerned
Uh no that’s now how it works. If it happened in the lore it still happened, it’s just not reflected ingame.
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Yes that’s exactly how it works for someone who just plays the game and doesn’t buy every single bit media, book, and comic that Blizzard puts out. There is no single unified body of lore. There’s one set of lore for the game, one for the movie, one for each individual author’s set of books, another for each different volume of comics. and of course the RPG books And most of them have disagreements with each other. They all have periods where they are followed, end, and ultimately retconned by a later set of non-game lore.
Even within game, there’s the solipistic lore of the individual player’s story, the overall game lore that’s shared with other players, and even they don’t quite match.
There are many different rivers of lore and occasionally they meet, but they all flow on different beds.
The multitude of Warcraft lore streams is getting closed to matching a distro branch diagram of Linux.
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Which is not what we discuss around here. Unless your intent is to just be talking to yourself.
A Good War and Elegy are canon.
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And for the most part, ARE reflected in game.
We do talk that way here because NO one claims that all of the disparate soruces of lore can be “true” at the same time. And some have been declared non-canon by Word of Gods.
Yes, but the Horde having left Ashenvale between the Siege of Orgrimmar and the War of the Thorns as reflected in A Good War has not been stated to be non-canon by any word of god.
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“As is”? I don’t know which faction controls them after Cataclysm/MoP, but even if they are officially Alliance, the Horde has already drained them of their population. They may as well be a Horde territory.
Dustwallow Marsh especially is a lost cause for the Alliance. Theramore’s people retreated and/or died, and now their leader has moved on to Kul’Tiras. The marsh itself doesn’t seem to have much value anyway.
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By “as is” I mean for Stonetalon to remain a zone that the Night Elves and Tauren share cooperatively in peace.
For Dustwallow, either leave it a crater (I hated questing there after the Cataclsym revamp, so I don’t particularly like the place), or a restoration for both sides like this suggestion:
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Didn’t the horde take full control of that zone in cata?
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No. They bombed one school, but we still had three other settlements (four if we can recover Stonetalon Peak), but then Garrosh disbanded the Horde from Stonetalon, so they didn’t even stay there after the bombing.
- High Chieftain Cliffwalker says: Wait, Warchief! Please! <Name> was the hero responsible for uncovering this corruption. <He/She> tried to stop Krom’gar!
High Chieftain Cliffwalker says: Have mercy, Warchief.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Mercy… Your wife and child were murdered. Your kin wiped out. Your home burned to the ground.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Mercy… Chieftain, on this day I learn from you.
Garrosh Hellscream says: <Name>, Krom’gar’s army is no more. Your rank no longer has meaning. If you wish to truly help the Horde, your considerable power could be used in Desolace or in the Southern Barrens.
High Chieftain Cliffwalker:
- There is nothing left for you here, <name>. As for me, I must lay Masha's body to rest. Once I have done that I will go to the bombing site and begin the process of regrowth. Perhaps one day a new grove will bloom - a grove infused with the spirit of my child and the fallen night elf youths.
Plus…it was just a threat. People on this forum act like Varian threatening to “end the Horde” meant that he could actually end the Horde. Garrosh threatened to end the Alliance. That didn’t happen, either.
Just because someone says something doesn’t mean they can actually do it.
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Actually what they were saying was that Varian’s threat left an onus on his son to deliver on it.
Dustwallow is much more than just Theramore
It’s not the we can end the Horde. It’s that we should be trying to.
I wonder what the Argent Crusade was doing during the course of the war. Sylvanas does not seem to trust them much.
I was disappointed that the mana bomb didn’t wipe the whole swamp out. The whole zone is terrible as far as quest gameplay was left.
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I can’t see what the problem was. Sure you had to do a lot of foot work,but that became much less an issue when riding was lowered to level 20, and the place had great skinning.
It truly is amazing that sort of realization that Blizzard wrote a “Horde Expansion” so atrocious, that in a hypothetical “Post-Fourth War” World … the “reward” for Horde and its playerbase seems to be … getting to continue existing. Jeezus Blizzard … you’ve actually created a story where the best the flawed, evil Horde races can do is “exist”. We’re unwanted monsters preventing utopia.
Outside of the pretty reasonable NEs expectation of at least keeping an rebuilding Hyjal, Ashenvale, Felwood, Darkshore, and Winterspring into an NE wonderland; and the Gilneans getting Gilneas back … so much else in being suggested seems fixated on containing the Horde; and making the entire Faction as convenient and out of the way of the Alliance as possible.
Its the reason we can’t move into Dustwallow … cuz we Blew up a city that was actively working as a military garrison for the Alliance’s War Effort. We can’t move into Northrend, because “doesn’t the Horde have enough”? The Plaguelands need to remain “neutral” because of the Argents, despite the fact that those regions are literally the only overland path between two Horde nations…
The Kalimdor Horde need to just stay in the territories so desolate that even the NEs didn’t want them. The Forsaken should just get pushed around wherever is the most convenient for Humans wanting to resettle Lordaeron. Man … there could actually be an interesting foundation for a Faction Conflict storyline here if it weren’t for the Alliance’s total lack of moral ambiguity…
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The horde already got the zones balance in cata why would you want more on top of that
I would actually like to see a lot of the indigenous threats make a return, and threaten the security of horde and alliance territories. We’ve been squandering a lot of resources going to Draenei, Argus, and now against each other, and presumably neglecting ‘internal security’, while they have been left relatively free to grow and prosper. Perhaps its time for all the non-aligned races to rise up and show the horde and alliance they are not the only people on Azeroth.
The ‘Sons of Hogger’, a new collective Khanate of centaurs, a Quillboar horde, the ‘Plague of the Invincible Candle’ (kobalds), Ursa Majoris Destructicus (furbolg), a Satyr resurgence, a great swarm of merloks, and of course a Harpy menace. plus a new silithid swarm.
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This sounds actually fun