The skipping thing is pointless when you still have to reach a percentage. Yes, they could find a better pulling area but other then the competition stuff… I am not going to ask my friend to change race ever.
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I kinda like that Alliance is dominant in Oceania. It’s true we get the WM bonus but it’s not even that, it’s mostly just a numbers game at this point since at 100 people are just going Heirlooms + Korraks.
We have people going from Barthilas (our last remaining vastly Horde server) to Frostmourne because it alone has double the numbers of Alliance.
Though I don’t deny that it was much easier to make dungeons and parties for random content (Uldir was done while I was Horde), I still get them done on Alliance along with a more social/chill and occasionally RP community Alliance has.
Except you can skip death pull and inefficient pull like single target statue etc. Whereas Horde races have to deal with it.
Literally every MDI comp that can be Night Elves, will be Night Elves (except rogue).
Sigh… people do not think of that prior to the attempts. Horde flew through Uldir because of the ease of use. I still say remove all racials and race/class restrictions. Even if it was just for testing purposes on a single server, I would like to see the numbers.
They might as well try, i want to see 90-10 raiding & M+ population.
This is already very much the case. The hall of Fame for eternal palace was split 97%-3% Almost entirely horde guilds.
The Mythic plus population on the Horde is way more active, there are just MORE people ready and willing to push high end keystones, Night Elf racial or no. Not to mention the Troll DPS cooldown, The Goblin burst mobility, and the Bloodelves AOE Purge, which is INCREDIBLE in Mythics, especially on teeming weeks.
Which leaves trying the removal of all offensive/defensive racials and no class/race restriction. To be honest that is the only way I see the populations possibly even out. The population will go to the avatar they like the most, possibly.
If you’re going to have a pity party with numbers pulled outta nowhere and claiming Horde race is better than Night Elves, go ahead.
tl:dr, right now faction numbers are more or less balanced people wise though even Ion admits higher level content is unbalanced. Worst case scenario, vulpira and mechagnomes are the tipping point for the factions.
At the moment, the factions are more or less even in number, but if you look at the breakdown of the numbers, Horde definitely has an advantage in the higher end game content, even Ion acknowledges it.
So, that means most of the Alliance are players that are casual. But Blizz in its infinite wisdom has decided to introduce vulpira as a Horde race in 8.3 while Alliance gets mechagnomes.
Now, if mechagnomes keeps its way overpowered racials, that might bring higher level content players back Alliance side. Might. But now Horde has a very requested cute toon on its side and that’s going to attract a lot of the Alliance casual population base. Of course that’s subjective because I’m going off of what my friends and the few chats I follow say. But if mechagnomes get nerfed, there’s no reason for anyone to move Alliance side and in fact Alliance players are going to go Horde to play vulpira because I know a lot of people (again, just what I’ve seen/heard) and that includes myself, that can’t stand the way they look. I want to play a mechagnome, but I just can’t do it.
I suppose no one will really know until 8.3 goes live, but if the worst case scenario happens, you’ll get your massive imbalance. If that happens? Who knows what Blizz will do. But I honestly believe (worst case scenario time) if that happens, it’ll be too late for Blizz to do anything. And Alliance will might as well be an NPC faction at that point.
Of course, I don’t want that to happen. But the only reason I’m not going to try to play a vulpira is that I don’t want to go through the rep grind. We’ll see if others go through it.
Your choice of comma here is so weird
Personally I would trade for shadow meld any day of the week.
Tbh even if they did that it is not enough, Racials started the imbalance, they made everyone competent move to horde leaving only few to the alliance.
Even if they are balanced now there is no reason to leave the horde, the alliance would need an advantage to keep a healthy portion of a playerbase then nerf the advantage after a year where hopefully faction balance will be better.
Racials really don’t matter nearly as much as people think they do. They provide a slight benefit, sometimes quite marginal, and in Very niche situations they can substantially change a fight.
But none of that matters at all compared to over 90% of the endgame raiding population being on one faction. When you decide what faction you want to raid on, nobody is going to think: “Do i want my guild to be all Belves, Goblins and Trolls to pull 1% better numbers?” Everyone is instead going to ask “Do I want my guild to be in the same player pool as 90% of the other raiders.”
Nobody is going to Leave the horde even if they change the racials. It benefits raiders to share one large recruitment pool, in order to constantly have a fresh supply of new raiders, and benched raiders from other guilds to pick up.
Make a Baby Yoda race that automatically join’s what ever side has the least members at that moment. The race will switch allegences per blizzards whim from week to week.
Can you state your point? At one point you said
Now you said racial won’t matter because Alliance racial is already ahead when that’s literally my first point in this thread.
Next time read before you quote people, ok?
My point is that racials have very little to do with Faction Imbalance, and that the faction imbalance is actually centered around the Raiding community being almost entirely on one faction.
Raiding guilds care about recruitment power, and player pool. Not racials.
I brought up the strength of the Horde racials as a counter to your argument, Ri, in order to show that both sides have very strong racials in their own right, and that claiming that one faction’s racials are “better” doesn’t effect the faction divide at all.
Don’t get so angry. The bigger picture is what matters here. The faction divide has almost nothing to do with racials. If you were to remove all the racials in the game, all of the raiders would still stay on the horde in order to benefit from a connected player population.
So basically my point was racial is not the problem for the imbalance when Shadowmeld is literally the most OP racial ever in BFA and then you quoted me for the exact same point.
Next time don’t do that, it serve no purpose like at all.
Shadowmeld is… passable. It’s thematic and it can be used to skip packs. So it invites a strategy that involves skipping and dodging certain difficult packs in order to clear the dungeon in a safer, easier manner.
But, since dungeons still require you to get a percentage of monsters killed, shadowmeld is only ever going to make dungeons easier by letting you skip difficult packs.
When it would be faster and more efficient to simply blow through the difficult packs with efficient play, good DPS, and not making mistakes.
Shadowmeld is good, but it isn’t as gamebreaking as you say. There aren’t any game breaking racials. Racial Abilities wont ever compensate for having better players, with better gear.
Its far from passable, 100% of the MDI team that can be Night Elves, will be Night Elves, there’s no situation where you would pick Bull rush or goblin jump over Meld.
If its only ‘passable’ in your book, its because you dont know how to use it, and its not the fault of the racial itself.
It’s still very far from being game breaking, and it still doesn’t affect the faction imbalance at all.
We can bicker over how good Shadowmeld really is for as long as we want. But the Alliance having a good racial for mythic plus hasn’t done anything to support their decaying numbers.
Most players at this point understand, that if you want to take endgame PvE content seriously, you should roll Horde.