The only people who are upset with covenants are FotMers

And you shouldn’t be surprised when people complain about that. It would still be a meaningful choice if there were no player power tied to to them. How much power do you get from choosing Horde or Alliance?

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I’m not surprised, just irritated. Here’s something I’m totally looking forward to and there are all these people trying to get it removed.

There isn’t much meaning behind choosing Horde or Alliance, at all.

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Because you’re playing the role of your character. Your character is who makes that choice, and it would matter to them. That’s how an actual RPG would handle things. You don’t need a power boost for everything you do.

If this were EverQuest or any other RPG, choosing Saurfang would have reprocussions to my character, just as choosing Sylvanas would. As it stands, nothing at all happens at the end of the day.

Wrong there’s meaning in choosing Horde or Alliance for a lot of people. There’s just no “power” in the choice and so you say it “doesn’t matter” to try to defend your argument that power = meaning

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So what you’re saying is that you really don’t care about the RPG element at all. What your character would want is meaningless to you unless you get some power boost out of it.

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You’re talking to a pandaren. I could be exactly the same thing on Horde or Alliance and it wouldn’t change a thing.

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Power boost, game accessibility, anything. We don’t have any real choices that affect any of those beyond class choice.

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So, once again, that means you don’t care about the RPG element at all. You’re not role playing a character. You’re just running around collecting power ups.

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I hate BfA but your entire war campaign story was different based on whether you were Horde or Alliance. Unless you’re saying the journey doesn’t matter in which case, why do you want to play an RPG? RPGs are mainly story driven.

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But your logs are extremely mediocre so why are you attempting to lecture people on being good?

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I absolutely do care.

I’m currently playing EverQuest. My character there is a human magician. The choices I make, whether it’s stat allocation, or deity choice, will affect my gameplay forever. It affects what gear I can wear, and what places I can go to. My actions in that game has consequences and advantages. Kill folks from a certain group too much, and certain factions will attack me. There are things I have to think carefully on or potentially be screwed in some aspect forever.

I wish WoW had more choices like that. That’s why I like covenants.

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Because casual players still like to be on a level playing field. Casual doesn’t mean bad.

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To me it’s not about min-max or flavor of the month…well maybe Min-Max in a way.

Remember how everyone farmed for the “right” AZ armor with the traits that worked best for them…then came the “tuning passes” after everyone had farmed their gear…of well off to farm some more Blizz said.

Then comes patch 8.3 and people worked to get their “best for their class” corruptions…along comes a tuning passing and now it’s crap and something they cleansed along the way was now better.

Given that Blizzard seems to stink at getting stuff balanced even after testers test it how can they lock us into something that most of the end game players will pick for the talents and soulbinds that could be worthless next week because Oppsie! we didn’t test it like these players just tested it.

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Then why not just keep playing Everquest? Everquest isn’t WoW the same way that WoW isn’t FFXIV what works in one does not work in the other.

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I am playing both at the moment, because I’m just a big fan of RPGs in general. My biggest gripe with WoW is the lack of RPG style choices in the game. You’re a Horde (insert class) or you’re an Alliance (insert class) and that’s it. Boring as hell.

You don’t raid mythic. There are no significant checks in heroic

You’re correct, hence why I’m not worried about it.

I’m sure all the mythic raiders will be loading up their calculators, spreadsheets, etc, and picking the covenant that “sims” the best.

Why do you think that suddenly WoW is going to add in a ton of RPG elements? Covenants are not the start of a new era of WoW where our choices are going to start to matter. And just because you think that factions aren’t an RPG choice that matters doesn’t mean that everyone else thinks that way. You say “boring as hell” that’s exactly what I think of the Covenant system it’s not meaningful it’s just going to be a chore.

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I hope it is.

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