The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes (Part 1)

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Please be more specific.

I’ve played this game and been a Guild Leader for many years, and I have never heard of a “shadow guild”

No one said you could not post.

It’s your motives that are questionable.
As stated, you have trolled this thread in the past.

More specifically, it’s mainly about Guild Leaders asking for their guild’s functionality to be restored to them.

Blizzard has asked for more (and more) input.

Blizzard did not put the restriction that players must understand

That’s all you

Thank you.

I hope Blizzard takes note

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the guild transferred…
i’m not sure how many other ways i can try to explain.

Guild Member Changes

After the transfer, guild members remain in a placeholder version of the original guild. This placeholder guild does not have access to the guild bank, achievements, reputation, or awards. If a member quits the placeholder guild, they lose one rank of reputation with the original guild.
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/32543

??
scroll up a bit.
check out where someone was asking for a function to be added.
…a function which already exists within the current guild UI.

It would help if people were familiar with the current UI, before asking for changes.

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To be honest, that is the only way you’ve tried to explain it.

Simply stating you play in a “shadow guild” (as I directly quoted you previously) is not an explanation.

(Scroll up)

Perhaps, you should take your own advice.

Scroll up and see where that someone was:

You apparently misunderstood what you read.

It was very plain to me that the poster was not asking for something new. They clearly understood that the function existed in the ui already.

In a very limited capacity.

What they suggested was that the function be expanded and therefore made more useful.

So in my humble opinion that poster was very

I for one (and I doubt I am alone) understood their intent completely.

I’m very sorry you didn’t

Blizzard: Please fix the guild permissions

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Went off on vacation for a month, came back here and of course Blizzard is still ignoring the thread/issue. I vaguely recall starting a petition at change dot org and I think it has one single signature. Sadly these things just prove that Blizzard is just hoping we go away, and those of us still checking in here are at this point so disillusioned with Blizzard’s unwillingness to address the issue, all we really do is whinge and moan in this long-ignored thread.

Blizzard is never going to address the issue.

I thus dream of doing something spectacular to force the issue: like chartering a small aircraft to rain down leaflets on their campus that highlight the problem with the guild permissions and how it is probably a sign of deeper internal issues at Herr-Sylvanas HQ, errr I mean Blizzard. Or perhaps I could locate all the home address of all the pertinent Blizzard executives/directors/etc who could have actually done something but did not and have mutilated dead gnome dolls deposited on their door steps. (I hear Cabbage Patch kids are a great option.) Even better–I could organize the Million Dwarf March, where just like in vanilla when hundreds of Paladins laid down in Ironforge to protest a terrible round of class changes, thousands of dwarves would stomp around outside the multitude of auction houses demanding that their guilds options and permissions return to what they were when the dwarves had the monopoly on alliance auction house fees.

Sadly none of these things will happen just like the Guild UI and backend permission changes will never be addressed let alone reverted. Blizzard just doesn’t care about communities within their games, within their forums or even at BlizzCon. Unless there is some deep mental shift within their upper management team this isn’t going to change.

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Actually, they did. In the last Q&A, Ion asked for more specific feedback and prioritization. Here is a lovely transcript Takoda typed up for us:

Please especially note the text Takoda bolded. They are working on granular permissions. Ion asked us to tell him what guild management tools are lacking and what we miss most. So, that’s what those of us left in this thread have been trying to do (mostly).

If you have any specific needs or wants, please feel free to share them. As Lore says, give as much context and detail as possible so they can better understand where you’re coming from.

There are a lot of great posts in this thread, but it would be wonderful if still more players posted details about what they’d like to see in the realm of guild UI and overall guild improvements.

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Because of course things need to get more complicated. I now need to build a new comp for my wife.

In the meantime Bliz, a good back-to-wow present for her would be to get that guild permissions thingy reverted to how we liked it.

M’kay?

Great.

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I wanted to quote one of the many great suggestions made in this thread, but I came across these lyrics and I just couldn’t resist:

Anyone who doesn’t know the tune for the above must be living under a rock. I think this is one of Venjin’s most brilliant endeavors, myself.
“I see a little silhouetto of a Ythisens…
It’s a blue, it’s a blue, time to get a response-o”

And then Venjin helped me out by providing a great suggestion in his following post:

I think this is a marvelous idea for making guild membership relevant to players who don’t care about raiding. Yes, it would fall under guild perks, and so is not as important to me as fixing the permissions, but it’s still a terrific idea.

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Great post. However I would advise against bringing any logic into this thread.

Let them copy/paste each other, pad their post stats and try not upset them…lol

No one who actually manages a thriving/active/raiding guild cares one bit about all this. They made a fix within a month and everyone was happy (returned mute status). If anyone worth noting disagreed, (not these trolls) they would have posted by now.

Ignore these guys Nobully! You got better things to do! Watch them work: they will clip a partial post of mine saying I’m a troll. lmao…

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Well, my friend, Ion agrees with us. They are, in fact, working to separate out the permissions. He also asked us to provide more specific feedback on what improvements we’d like to see. As in “this is the exact specific thing that I would like to be able to do with my guild” and “it would be super helpful just so we could understand the relative weighting, popularity, and demand of each of these features” <== Yes, those are quotes from the Q&A.

To Blizzard: This character is not a guild master, but I could take over her guild any time. The GM hasn’t been on for a couple of years. If I took over, I would try to rebuild the guild, but to do that, I would need help from other members. I would want to make officer ranks with various different permissions so each one has a specific job and no-one feels overwhelmed by responsibility.

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or… you could be forthcoming with something useful, instead of veiled threats towards employees.
i’m not sure what you’re hoping to accomplish by encouraging people to engage in actual harassment, in the form of clogging phone lines and spamming letters, just because you’re not getting what you want.

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You are correct sir.

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Don’t troll by doing exactly what Blizz asked you to do, jeeeez.

:roll_eyes: #StatPaddin’

On topic, some more guild perks might be nice…What do we have, a little mount speed, a bit of a shave on the hearth cooldown, and insta guild mail? The others I can’t rightly recall. Mount speed and hasty hearth are nice, guild mail is fantabulous, but for anyone iffy about joining a guild to begin with, they probably aren’t much of a draw.

Procs on crafting and a tidbit of rep bonus might be more enticing, like suggested above. Gaining guild XP is kind of a nice thing, people like making progress at stuff like that even if it doesn’t have super huge bonuses- I remember during Pandas a small RP guild that was just me, a friend of mine, and their little brother grinding up to 25 on all those dailies (lots of buddies in the Tillers!)

Maybe some more cosmetic rewards for things like the one where the guild has to kill allllll those critters (how long was I in that tunnel in EPL @__@ ). Like, a certain number of dragonkin kills gets a pet, a certain number of demon kills gets a toy or something…with all of the types of monsters there’s plenty that could be done there.

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So, still doing my read-through to pull up posts I find relevant and useful and bring them to Blizzard’s attention. Oh, excuse me, I mean “pad my stats” :roll_eyes:
This one form October has specific suggestions and an example of how the change has negatively affected their guild:

This debacle has dragged on so long, I’m sort of wondering if returning granular permissions will be able to bring anyone back and save any of the guilds that have collapsed as a result. Of course, we won’t know until we try. Bring back the permissions, Blizz. Separate ALL of them. That’s the priority.

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Best guess: It will vary widely from guild to guild depending on how bad the damage was, how much of the core remains, how engaged/disillusioned the GM is…

Some guilds will probably never recover. Some will probably be ok.

It will also depend on what perks they give us. :pleading_face:

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Here are some very clear and specific suggestions that were actually made in July and requoted by the original poster. Some of the suggested changes have been made (edit own note, for instance) but by no means all:

We’d all love to hear some developer feedback, to be honest. At this point, I’ll settle for just having the permissions separated out so they can be assigned (individually or all together) to whatever ranks the GM feels fits their guild.

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So. You are here stumping for The Devs, whilst playing as a part of a guild that isn’t meant to be a long term solution (its a placeholder and placeholders are TEMPORARY) so you have no control over that guild and no usable guild functions yet you decry those who ARE guild masters and who have had severe issues with the intentional corruption of the guild ranks and their attendant functions?

And you aren’t trolling?

Yeah no. That is the definition of trolling mate. Why don’t you find yourself another thread? One that you actually have some skin in?

As for you…Nevermind. Flagged for trolling as usual. By the way intentionally posting false information is a direct violation of the forum code of conduct just so you know.

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Took a break from MK11 to try to make a new custom officer rank.

Denied again.

Will hit PvP tonight but with multiple RL issues going on, it would’ve been nice to see some sort of stealth hotfix.

Could use some good news, Blizzard.

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Here is another post that bears repeating. It gives very specific suggestions about things that would really help with guild management and recruiting.

I quoted this previously in September. The original post was made in July.

For those who haven’t been paying attention, I don’t do this to “pad my stats”. I do it because Ion wanted specific feedback. There is a lot of feedback in this thread, but it gets buried under the weight of everything else. So I go through and quote posts that give Ion the information he asked for.

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if you think i only have one character, then clearly you are the one trolling.

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You clearly only referred to (and in fact put all the focus and emphasis on) your “shadow guild” (Scroll up a bit)

^Indeed^

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