The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes (Part 1)

[Adapted-emerald-dream]

Where can I find more information on raising my forum status? I’d really love to be able to post links, videos, etc. If there isn’t something to link, can you explain, please? I’m sorry.

[Takoda-kul-tiras (Takoda)]

@Siyanati-dalaran

Trust Levels

Trust levels are a participation system on the forums. The more you post, like, reply, read, and visit the forums, the more you work your way to a higher trust level. Increased Trust levels grant additional privileges. Everyone who is new starts off at Trust Level 0 but will quickly climb by reading and visiting the forums within their first few days.

TRUST LEVEL 0

Trust level 0 users cannot:

• Flag posts
• Post more than 3 topics
• Post more than 10 replies

TRUST LEVEL 1

Get to trust level 1 by…

• Entering at least 5 topics
• Reading at least 30 posts
• Spend a total of 10 minutes reading posts

Users at trust level 1 can…

• Post unlimited topics and replies
• Edit wiki posts (more on Wiki Posts Below)
• Flag posts
• Create links and video embeds to trusted websites like Blizzard websites, YouTube, or Twitch

TRUST LEVEL 2

Get to trust level 2 by…

• Visiting at least 15 days, not sequentially
• Casting at least 1 like
• Receiving at least 1 like
• Replying to at least 3 different topics
• Entering at least 20 topics
• Reading at least 100 posts
• Spend a total of 60 minutes reading posts

Users at trust level 2 can…

• Have an increased “like” count.

TRUST LEVEL 3

Get to trust level 3 by…

• Must have visited at least 50% of last 100 days
• Must have replied to at least 10 different topics
• Of topics created in the last 100 days, must have viewed 500 topics
• Of posts created in the last 100 days, must have read 20,000 posts (both starting posts and replies)
• Must have received 20 likes, and given 30 likes.
• Must not have received more than 5 spam or offensive flags (with unique posts and unique users for each, confirmed by a moderator)
• Must not have been suspended (including forum suspensions or in-game account actions of any Blizzard game)

Trust Level 3 users can

• Create Wiki Posts (more on that below)
• Post animated gifs, images, compatible video embeds, and links to any website

For regular users, even if you are Trust Level 3 on the Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, or BlizzCon forums, your forum stats and trust level will be different here.

The full post is here: New Forum Guide - Syntax and Features.

By “topics,” they mean forum threads. So you can get to 500 just by reading guild related threads, but it will be much faster if you click into other stuff too. You can also cheese the 20,000 read messages requirement by scrolling slowly through the megathreads. (High elf and vulpera threads are great for that.) I did it while watching YouTube videos.

To see where you are right now, click on your character portrait in the top right, and then on your name in the dropdown that comes up. You’ll be able to see your stats for most of these requirements.

To see your current trust level, use this URL.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/u/CharacterName-realm.json

Replace your name and realm in the URL, and then control+F trust. The realm is not capitalized. The highest trust number listed is your current level. (When you gain a new rank, it can take a few hours to update.)

[Tixi-moon-guard (Tixi)]

This is abhorrent. Get a CM on this immediately.

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

So here is a post made after Ion said, “Please let us know what features are needed and how you use them.”

@Hathlo-wyrmrest-accord

The Developer Q&A asked us to provide feedback specifically about what problems we have running our guilds with the new IsOfficer consolidation. So i’m gonna spend some time actually trying to explain what i’d like to see and why.

Access officer channels
This provides access to /o and the officer voice channel.
This is a big one. Our guild has what basically amounts to a Jr. Officer rank. We want that rank to have access to officer chat and some permissions like Calendar Events and Guild / Officer Notes, but we don’t necessarily want or need that rank to be editing the message of the day or guild information, or the ability to remove people from voice chat or delete logged messages.

Persistent chat lodges an issue here too. If permission to access officer chat is restored as a separate control, we also need the a new ability to allow or deny access for reading the old logged messages in the officer channel. This allows us to invite a rank temporarily to officer chat without compromising what may be sensitive officer chat. I don’t want to have to clear 8000 messages out of the chat log to do this.

Our workaround for this currently being a grouped permission is that we’ve made a battle net community that our jr officers and the sr leadership are a part of, rather than granting those permissions and hoping that things don’t get edited when they shouldn’t. What we would want to do for inviting a rank to officer chat on a temporary basis for feedback or suggestions can also be achieved though this workaround, but with much much more overhead than what controls used to be available to us. Id be more comfortable allowing that access at a temporary basis if we had better logging tools to see who made what edits.

Other than this, I think my post in the following thread explains why the other permissions should be separate controls:

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20766196416?page=1

For the record, Ion’s comment in the Q&A is the reason I’ve been going back through and pulling out posts from earlier in the thread. Because, you know, they somehow got missed the first time.

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

I’m tempted to hunt down all my songs in this thread and embed youtube links to the originals in the posts lol.

Darn. I came here for Venjin songs and there aren’t any posted yet!

Oh, wait, that’s not why I came. It was to pad my stats. And, um…remind Blizzard that we still want guild permissions separated so guild masters can assign them as they wish.

HELLO?? IS THIS THING ON??

[Dlaciabia-sisters-of-elune (Dlaciabia)]

Separate guild permissions delegated as the GM sees fit, please.

#StatPaddin’

[Raicolette-moon-guard (Raicolette)]

This is abhorrent. Get a CM on this immediately.

The only CM that carried about us, no longer works for the company. I don’t think this change is coming ever.

[Randomly-silvermoon (Randomly)]

I started at the top:

https:// www. linkedin. com /in /michael-morhaime-1081a7170/
https:// twitter. com /mikemorhaime

https:// www. linkedin. com /in /coddy-johnson-a823582/

A simple message to these two on LinkedIn and point them to this discussion/thread. I’m sure one of their assistants will be the person to deal with it but anything is better than the stony silence of this thread.

[Venjin-bronzebeard (Venjin)]

I’m gonna get on it…just as soon as my boss stops walking by every 5 friggin’ minutes…

Oh, and just to keep on-topic:

Current permissions setup bad.
Old setup good.
Bring back old setup for more good.

[Takoda-kul-tiras (Takoda)]

Update?

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

So, here’s a quote from another smart Guild Master (back in August) explaining why separate permissions are necessary:

This entire thread is people explaining how they used to have separate permissions for separate officer ranks and why they set things up that way.

A large guild needs multiple officers. One person can’t do it all. But it makes no sense for every officer to have all the permissions currently available under “is officer”. I have a tiny guild, but even in my guild, I don’t need someone else setting the message of the day, changing guild information, or randomly erasing other people’s chat messages.

It would be nice, for instance, to allow access to officer chat without allowing all these other permissions. Making all these permissions separate check boxes again is truly the only sane way to fix this.

I hadn’t intended to quote myself when I started this read-through, but I feel like some of my original posts are just as relevant and worthy of highlighting as the other posts I quote. So, here I am.

Yes, I realize a certain poster believes I’m only doing this to pad my forum stats and um… Well, I can’t remember what he’s always accusing me of doing beyond keeping the thread alive. He’s partly right about keeping the thread alive, but that’s not really why I do this. I do it because Ion ticked me off by asking for more feedback when this thread already had over 1k posts, and because nobody is more stubborn–I mean tenacious–than I am. I’ll be posting here until they either fix the permissions or close the thread.

[Takoda-kul-tiras (Takoda)]

I hadn’t intended to quote myself when I started this read-through, but I feel like some of my original posts are just as relevant and worthy of highlighting as the other posts I quote. So, here I am.

I agree your posts are worthy of highlighting. Carry on.

[Holliday-lightbringer (Holliday)]

I started at the top:

https:// www. linkedin. com /in /michael-morhaime-1081a7170/
https:// twitter. com /mikemorhaime

https:// www. linkedin. com /in /coddy-johnson-a823582/

You started at the top… with people that are no longer with the company. At least, Morhaime isn’t… that’s why J. Allen “You think you do, but you don’t” is in charge of things now… Mike is gone…

[Astrius-dalaran]

reverse it

[Raiyyn-lothar]

You do realize that Morhaime retired, right?

You’ll need to find J. Allen Brack’s assistant. And remember that he’s the “you think you do but you don’t” guy while you’re looking.

[Randomly-silvermoon (Randomly)]

I don’t follow blizzard corporate shenanigans/news…hence I just went to their site, pulled their management info up and searched by that.

The over all point though is contact information is out there and can be used.

ie: https:// www. linkedin. com/in/ j-allen-brack-27a2582/ took me 5 seconds to find that and his FB profile (/jbrack)

At this point continuing to moan here in the forums is a useless. If we really want answers or even the holy grail of Blizz fixing the issues that have been documented countless times in these threads, people have to get off their butts and do the uncomfortable work of finding people who will listen or at least make others do the listening.

[Randomly-silvermoon (Randomly)]

Here have a petition:

http:// chng. it / HWQnszqQpv

remove the spaces…the new blizzard forums don’t allow links to be included in posts.

now someone just needs to start a FB group. (not)

[Raiyyn-lothar]

At this point continuing to moan here in the forums is a useless. If we really want answers or even the holy grail of Blizz fixing the issues that have been documented countless times in these threads, people have to get off their butts and do the uncomfortable work of finding people who will listen or at least make others do the listening.

I don’t think you understand how this whole feedback things works… But okay. I’ll get in touch with Mr. Brack… Right NAU!

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

At this point continuing to moan here in the forums is a useless.

Perhaps.

If we really want answers or even the holy grail of Blizz fixing the issues that have been documented countless times in these threads, people have to get off their butts and do the uncomfortable work of finding people who will listen or at least make others do the listening.

So far, it hasn’t made any difference to contact folks through other means (twitter, facebook, et al.) No-one at Blizz is paying attention us no matter how we contact them (including in person at Blizzcon). But, you do you. Maybe you’ll be the one to get results. I wish you better luck than I’ve had.

[Nêlsôn-greymane]

(including in person at Blizzcon)

Wow, that putting “ignore the problem until it goes away” to a whole new level.