The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes (Part 1)

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

Advanced guild controls (old way) and Simplified guild controls (current implementation). Give us a checkbox to choose which to use, please.

^This. A million times. (or 2747 times, whichever comes first)

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

Still going through the thread, quoting things that I feel need more attention. Here’s an idea about guild chat that sounds interesting:

I haven’t seen anyone say they like the permission changes. I’m
sure someone somewhere does, but there’s literally no benefit to the simplified permissions that I can see.

I’d also like to have an option to have guild chat history be persisant or not. It’d be awesome if we could have different guild channels, maybe have one set for persistent messages and another for just chat that doesn’t stick around.

There would be such massive utility for that kind of feature. Like an in game message board for reminding people of guild events, members letting people know they can’t make it to a raid etc…

But making all chat persistent has really ruined its functionality as a place to talk with friends and get to know people.

Hopefully they’ll address this in the Q&A. Because I’m about to give up and just start using Discord for everything.

More than one channel and making persistent chat optional seem like no-brainers to me. Then again, NOT lumping all the permissions under one heading seems like something that you don’t need a PhD for, either.

Since we can’t even get permissions separated out, I don’t have any hope for some of the other marvelous ideas in this thread, but I still like to highlight the ones I find. Maybe a developer for some future game will see these ideas and implement them for their game. Since being innovative is apparently not something that Blizzard does anymore.

[Wretchedmist-thrall (Wretchedmist)]

Checking in again to make sure my voice is heard. Everyone contributing to this discussion needs to keep doing so. So far we’ve been ignored.

As of now, I haven’t assigned anyone in our guild with the “Is Officer” check box since there are certain permissions I will not assign, regardless of rank. As a result of this, nobody in the guild has access to any of those eight privileges since they’re all lumped together in a one-size-fits-all definition of “an officer,” as defined by some Activision Blizzard employee.

Please give us the individual permission customization we had prior to patch 8.0. That’s all I’m asking for.

For further recommendations to help guild management, add a complete log/record system for the guild bank so the guild master can keep track of cumulative records on gold deposits, gold repairs, gold withdraws, item deposits, and item withdraws. If WoW developers can create and maintain a statistics tab with all kinds of totally useless information for my character, they can add a simple feature that lets me keep track of guild bank records. That would actually help guilds and their leaders manage things like donations rather than have to make Google sheets and such. Many other recommendations to help guilds have already been provided in this thread.

Please address this problem sooner than later. This thread began on July 17, 2018. We’re now at February 6, 2019. We’re almost at seven months now. Wow. I’m not asking for an apology. Just revert the permissions change. That’s it. Many people have already given detailed explanations and feedback over the MANY pages here.

You have what you need, and the “discussion” has already occurred. Read it, and pass the information along to the next group of people who need to make the correction. Failure to do so will just further the stereotypes of poor communication and the apparent growing disregard for the gaming community at Activision Blizzard.

I will continue to check in here until the change is made. Everyone else needs to do so, too.

Wretchedmist
GM of Obsidian Spur
2004 Horde launch guild

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

Here we are, Well over 2700 posts since the thread was started, and I can’t help but wonder how long before we hit 3000 with no answer from Blizz about this.

Yes, I want the permissions split up, and yes, I think the best way to handle this would be with an “advanced” tab. GM’s who are happy with things as they are (Che and his buddies) can keep the all-in-one permissions, and the rest of us can choose the ability to assign permissions as we wish. But right now I’d at least be satisfied with any sort of answer, even if it’s just to say this is how things are going to be, period. At least then I’d feel we were being dealt with honestly.

As things are, I feel like we’re being strung along by a lawyer who can’t say anything straight out because that’s how lawyers always are. Oh, wait…

[Polgara-winterhoof (Polgara)]

Hi, just checking in. I posted back in July 2018 and stopped posting sometime around October - but I’ve kept checking in and keeping up on your posts. I assumed that this was an oversight, because the change didn’t make sense based on how our guild (and your guilds) were setup. There was no good reason to take away such simple functionality.

I’m still playing and still enjoy the game, and while I’ll never join the tinfoil hat brigade (meaning I assume a fundamental lack of competence vs anything directly malicious) I cannot fathom the decision making process that leads the company behind the game (yes, I can separate the two in my mind) to not address this issue with their paying customers.

We know they are aware of the issue and as many of you have correctly pointed out, it would be very simple to say whether or not they will do something to correct it, so we can all stop wasting time here.

At this point it is silly.

I also compliment your restraint with the one troll (no not you Venjin, I’m talking about the surly one) who seems to have a very curious perception of the very obvious reality here.

Thanks for soldiering on folks, you’re better than me in that regard and you have my respect.

[Kiwì-dentarg (Kiwì)]

Blizzard, this really needs to be fixed. We have gotten to the point of just not allowing anyone to do anything which is not how we want to run our guild. We want to continue the environment of where as the loyalty and commitment to the guild grow, responsibility and privilege within the guild grows.

If you do not plan on fixing this then at least show the community some respect and communicate this to us.

[Smadinker-moon-guard (Smadinker)]

During WoD an old friend of mine and myself started up my guild on Moon Guard. We had a somewhat rocky start on the server but it ended up going pretty good for us. We had some casual RP, casual PvE, and a good bit of WPvP. WPvP on MG, I know, crazy, but it happened regularly and it was a blast (now with sharding, CRZ, and no world defense channel organized WPvP is an absolute joke and not worth the effort). I made a good number of friends on the server and many of us still hang out to this day, even though the majority have quit WoW during this garbage expansion.

Anyways, a few weeks ago I had made an announcement to my guild that the guild is basically going to sit idle - no events, no raiding, no recruitment, no promotions, nothing. It was really kind of sad for me to do so since we were a pretty active guild (highly active before so many found out how trash BfA is and left), I had a number of good friends there, and oddly enough we never had much drama.

The horrible changes to the guild permissions helped to ruin the structure that I had set up for my guild. The structure I used for my guild was more in-depth than a corny check box like you guys gave us. I know that it might be hard for Blizzard employees to understand that not all guilds only raid or PvP, so our guild structures are not like Ion Hazzolinkos guild.

I’m not going to list all the reasons why I believe BfA is trash since this isn’t the thread to do so, but it is the thread to let you blues know that this change to guild permissions is one of the solid reasons why BfA is hot trash.

Blizzard, you should do the right thing and let the rest of these GM’s and guild members who care about their guild know something. You guys are full of it with your supposed improved communication. A real man or a real woman would have spine enough to have something to say within the last 200+ days and 2,752 comments.

Anyways, good luck to you guys and I hope the game improves for yall and I hope that your guilds succeed and do well.

~just another guild who got BfA’d

[Mahatma-blackwater-raiders (Mahatma)]

The very last thing I want to do is hand Blizzard more (any) money esp right now. However, unless I am missing a very large puzzle piece here, I’m reasonably sure that Blizz is the one losing out on real money. I am buying said Tokens with in-game gold instead of my usual real life cash.

Here is how paying with tokens works:

Someone else pays Blizzard $20 for a token that they then put on the AH to sell for gold. Someone else then buys said token for gold.

While you do save $15 of your own money each month, Blizzard still gets an extra $5, because tokens cost $5 more than the cost of the monthly subscription. If anything, Blizzard prefers that as many people as possible pay for their subscriptions with tokens, since that makes them more money.

This is a big part of why I, personally, will not pay for my game time with gold.

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

I was doing my read-through as usual, and I think this post from August really nails it:

I checked on my guild permissions and discovered it’s still all lumped under “Is Officer”. sigh

I suppose we’ll need an actual patch and not regular maintenance, but I always get my hopes up, only to have them dashed.

Seriously, it has to be obvious that this one-size-fits-all permission box must be changed. I don’t know why it was implemented in the first place. Normally I don’t ask for explanations, but this begs for several:

Why was this done in the first place?
Is it working as intended?
Is anyone even paying any attention to our problems with it?
Is it going to be fixed?
Will the fix be before the next expansion launch?

I’d find it easier to be patient if I just knew changes are at least being considered.

^This guy’s all right in my book.

[Venjin-bronzebeard (Venjin)]

The NBA Trade deadline has passed and we still didn’t get the trade I wanted: the current implementation for the old one.

Bleh.

[Venjin-bronzebeard (Venjin)]

Actually I heard Fumel is much like a gremlin, appearing when you least expect and especially if you’re drunk…

[Druunah-ravencrest (Druunah)]

I am curious as to what I am missing here.

How does that work?

Here is how paying with tokens works:

Actually they gained $5 for every month you “paid” for with a Token.

Every token for sale on the AH was purchased by a player for $20. When you buy it, you get $15 worth of Blizzard balance that you can apply toward game time or other things in the Blizzard store. Blizzard gets $20. You get game time. Blizzard gets $5 more revenue than if you bought the time yourself. The player who put the token in the AH paid the $5 difference so they could have more in-game gold.

Edit: Remember, the player who put the token in the AH already paid for their subscription. So Blizzard gets their sub money, plus the $20 they paid for your subscription. You’re not paying Blizz any money, but someone else is paying for you–and they’re paying more than you would.

Well, you certainly have caught my attention!

The very last thing I want to do is hand Blizzard more (any) money

Thank you Brahmina for that very kind, lucid and very valid explanation.

Unfortunately, I never thought of that.

the situation was already explained, and understood completely.

Yep. I admittedly did not understand exactly how tokens work.

I do now.

Thanks

Thanks again

Have a great day!

Thank you.

Lesson:

Never make a mistake where others can see.

Talk about embarrassing!

[Grunwulf-stormrage]

Yep, just checking in and bumping a thread that Ion and the Goons have no interest in addressing.
Still taking my money elsewhere for enjoyment.
I will check back in a few days to see lack of progress or attention to this absurdly stupid change.

[Brahmina-khadgar (Brahmina)]

Never make a mistake where others can see.

The problem wasn’t really your “mistake”. It’s people seeing that particular post and rushing to answer it without seeing if anyone else already covered it. I was just lucky that I happened to answer your post asking “how does that work” pretty much right after you wrote it. However, being the lazy person I am, if there had already been a clear explanation posted, I wouldn’t have written mine.

I just wish someone at Blizzard would be as on-the-spot about answering questions and fixing mistakes as the folks in this thread!

[Druunah-ravencrest (Druunah)]

The problem wasn’t really your “mistake”. It’s people seeing that particular post and rushing to answer it without seeing if anyone else already covered it. I was just lucky that I happened to answer your post asking “how does that work” pretty much right after you wrote it.

And I am grateful to you for setting me straight.

As far as my other replies go, I was merely attempting to be nice to those who didn’t bother to read all the followups.

Relevance:

Blizzard, please answer all these good folks, they deserve your attention.

[Breakbeat-kilrogg (Breakbeat)]

Please give us the individual permission customization we had prior to patch 8.0. That’s all I’m asking for.

As echoed nine million times in this thread, I agree, this is all we want and is absolutely needed. Nearly all of our members leave the options that should be unavailable to them alone. However, there’s always newbies, there’s always people that have come back after a long break … in short, there’s always people that are going to want to mess with settings that they should not have access to.

Please fix? Lol. “Soon”, I know.

Please address this problem sooner than later.

Sooner rather than later. I had a boss once (she was manager of the parks and rec department for Burbank, second only to the very high-ups at city hall) who would say this. I wanted to correct her each and every time, especially when she was talking to the city council or her boss, and I was taking notes. But, I was a lowly clerk at the time - what six-figure-earning city manager wants to be corrected by a clerk? Oh well.

[Dlaciabia-sisters-of-elune (Dlaciabia)]

If you do not plan on fixing this then at least show the community some respect and communicate this to us.

Really. It’s literally the least that could be done.

[Fumel-arathor (Fumel)]

Still reading through the thread. Here’s and August post from someone who isn’t an officer and doesn’t want to be one:

I absolutely do not want to be designated as a full blown Officer. I’ve seen that movie. I know how it ends. I don’t want the drama or the responsibility.

However I would like to be able to set guild calendar events(which I can do) and change the guild Message of the Day(which I cannot) without having to be an officer. Please revert the permissions change.

It should carry some weight that out of all the constant complaints you see here on GD this one doesn’t have the droves of defenders coming out of the woodworks explaining to us why this is a good thing and Blizzard knows best. This is one that I think most of us actually can agree on.

I assume Sven’s guild master had originally given him/her the ability to set events and change MoD, but obviously can no longer do this without making poor Sven a full-blown officer.

As far as I recall, Che has been the only one regularly advocating for the current permissions, but he still hasn’t explained how he makes it all work for his guild. Obviously, he doesn’t have members like Sven, who want just a couple of responsibilities.

So yeah, I do believe most of us agree the current guild permissions are a dung heap.

[Cheheals-gilneas (Cheheals)]

Lol…like I’ve said repeatedly you guys are the outliers. Everyone else doesn’t even notice the change. Once they fixed the “mute status” issue, everyone was satisfied. The proof is simple: it if wasn’t for about 5 people here posting repeatedly, this thread would die.

You all should be more transparent about what you’re actually doing: padding you stats on the forums to earn the new privileges. Oh and thanks for always mentioning my name in these posts. You guys are hysterical…but everyone sees what you’re doing lol…

[Dlaciabia-sisters-of-elune (Dlaciabia)]

“lel”

I don’t even know what trust derp crap rank I am and I don’t much care in the slightest. What I’m actually doing is repeatedly poking Blizz in the belly trying to get them to say whether or not this is being looked at. Don’t project your inane ideas onto me broham.