The massive problem with new crest system

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Sell us a solution? What do you mean by that? They introduced VS, they had it for 2 expacs. People NEVER liked them. And the fact that they made them warbound for the last half of last season just showed that they realised they need to tinker some more. So they LISTENED to our complaining and are removing it altogether.

Sorry to say this, but by PLAYING in a game, we are wasting time already. You don’t seriously think playing this game is going to pay your mortgage to you? Yes, you are literally paying this game company to waste your time. That’s the whole point of playing a game. If you don’t think it’s worth it, you stop.

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maybe crests will be on the shop?

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they gave us valorstones what sucked since the beginning. then they waited till most people are done pushing to make it warbound which is still annoying since there is a xfer tax. now they removed valor stones but to make up for it we have to farm even more crests.

saying all this means you just dont understand and probably never will so im not going to waste either of our time trying to explain it to you

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Needless complication. There should be tracks for gear either.

No reason you shouldn’t be able to upgrade a quest green to myth “track” if you have millions of valorstones

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So your rebuttal is that, “Because I said so”

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no my rebuttal is i dont have the time or patience to hold your hand and explain it to you like your 5 which based on your response is how you need it explained. im not a charity nore a teacher. if you want to argue about it at least understand the problem first

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And you’ve just done it again. Your rebuttal is literally you saying, “because I said so”

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and blizz wants us to pay for things that we don’t want.

some will continue due to their long-term enjoyment of the game and the general sunk costs associated with it.

I am quite certain that there are many people on the fence about continuing their subscriptions.

i recall, as do many Im sure, when blizzard leadership told the community that they thought they wanted a classic reboot but they really didn’t want it.

they finally listened to their player base - current, past and future - launched classic and, if i recall correctly, doubled their player base almost overnight. the classic playerbase has stuck through four classic expansions.

blizz is once again not listening. this time the numbers could easily halve as the classic folks go away and attrition from retail due to all of the changes cause damage too.

monetization from housing or other sources will not make up for these losses. certainly Microsoft is likely to be forcing blizzard to keep WoW lean, but WoW is an absolute cash cow. millions of people paying fifteen bucks a month for two decades. no other gaming franchise has that record.

their success has typically come from player input into game design and game play, and also from actual player enhancements via addons. these enhancements made the game enjoyable for almost all players at very little, if any, direct cost to blizzard.

for retail, the in-game resource bloat, coupled with weekly resource caps, the nerfing of tanks/healers, whatever they are doing to dps rotations now in the guise of “simplification” or whatever, deletion of addons, bringing in races that no one really cares about (who plays earthen? worgen? etc…). all of this feels like the players are not only unheard but that blizz is almost daring its players to leave.

no, you can’t have my gold.

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They released a blog post or was on someone’s interview that talked about this. The last 2 levels of an item track are more expensive in the effort to get you to jump from normal to heroic to mythic.

If your end game is Heroic content then it shouldn’t matter the cost of the last 2 tiers of that track, as by the time you reach the culmination of it you will be swimming in those tokens.

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its not but if thats what your simple mind takes from it than sure.

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No there absolutely is a very good reason you shouldn’t be able to do that.

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The final season of Shadowlands was uncapped currency from the start. And it was one of the most fun seasons of M+ I can remember.

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The different crests are overly convoluted imo. But at the very least, each tier of gear should be completely maxed by that tier’s crest. And the crests to fully upgrade that gear should drop from the same content that drops that level of gear. I’m not a fan of crest caps in general and think fears of early power gains are overblown. I like getting near the absolute ceiling every season and contrary to doomer fears, I would be more inclined to play and gear more alts rather than the strawman “everyone would unsubscribe after 2 weeks” argument.

If you played smart with the current system (pre turbo boost), you never used next tier crests on lower tier pieces until you upgraded all the other slots of next tier items even if that meant you had to sit on some crests for a week. And it was better to spend those higher crests on a crafted piece because you didn’t lose any crests when a higher tier dropped; ie. craft a weapon with guilded crests rather than fully upgrading a heroic one (free upgrades to that same ilvl when you get a mythic one versus already being 30 in the hole). And when I say tier, I’m referring to veteran, champion, heroic, mythic, etc. not the class tier sets, hehe.

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I don’t know what the new crest system is like but if it’s worse than what we have now, I rather they just keep valorstones.

Frankly, the current system is kind of hard to “model”. The only model I can think of is we are helping train the upgrade vendor - crests upgrades his skill working with armour/weapons, valorstone is like flux that allows him to do his work.

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The bigger problem is there is a crest system at all

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Sure, just show me where you actually gave some backup to your opinion, an example of an example so to speak.

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go find someone else to troll. i really couldnt care less about some random goblin who doesnt get it. its like arguing with a child

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Well, I decided to answer you with your own vague, no backup, no validity answers. So I guess you can’t take what you want to dish out. Yes, it’s like arguing with a child.

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it’s how Ion timegates non raiders…

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And previously you were timegated by titanforge RNG, and before that by reputation rewards (Because there was no way to even get reasonable ilvl gear outside of raids besides the couple items rep vendors had at exalted) and raiders were timegated by weekly lockouts.

Blizz added infinitely farmable sources of gear, not just for non raiders, for everyone, in legion. And the result of that is there will always be something in place to prevent you from getting full BIS in a week of spamming.

Crests timegate the heck out of raiders too by the way, but we’ve always been timegated so we’re just used to it.

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