I could do it without my wife but not with her right now. She doesn’t raid or do mythic+ at all right now because I can’t. She was asked to join one of the really big wig mythic raiding guilds and was gonna transfer to malganis during bfa to raid with them but didn’t cuz she wanted to play with me. You could look at her toon right now and try to talk trash but her achievements from the past literally trash yours. And you know what? That makes me smile. Because you think you can talk down to me but people who’s armories would embarrass you tell all the time how good I am at the game.
all i m seeing is excuses buddy lol
i play 3-6 hours a week and raid log now for last what month now?
your prob playing the game alot more than i am 
but ill give you the benefit of the doubt 
and no one on this game can embarrass me
We mostly do old content. I was in a MoP lfr before the game went down. We do that cuz we can’t do harder content together. That’s not an excuse. She won’t do higher end stuff without me so she doesn’t do it. So in respect I don’t pug random stuff without her either. Are you married?
Well, I’m trash at PvP, I don’t have as much time currently to raid nor an actual set schedule. So M+ fits my bill perfectly, or am I one of those that should be shunned for playing when and how I can. I don’t see a whole lot of people complaining about M+ vs Raiding, outside Raiders being upset about it. It’s more that people just want to feel rewarded for their time.
I spent 30+ hours this week from Tues to Mon night, running keys, 10s+, to end at 204 ilvl and I started my key push the week this character hit 60, so a week and a half ago. I bought all 168, campaigned to 197 gear. But 30 hours just in M+10 and above, alone. And I got one piece of gear I looted and one traded.
30 hours is what, roughly comparable to two weeks of an average guilds raid nights?
My guild only raids Friday 6pm to 9pm and Saturday 6pm to 9pm. 6hrs.
If you just look at the raiding itself, sure, but raiding isn’t rewarding in terms of gear. Mythic raiders MUST also do M+ on top of that, as much or more than you are, in order to gear for raiding. And the higher-progression Mythic teams also currently MUST do ranked PvP for the easy-to-get and very high ilvl PvP gear.
Blizzard has made raid gearing SO bad that raiders have to find their gear elsewhere. The “raider tax” in terms of time required just to raid is higher than ever, this expansion.
The only thing giving lots of loot right now is pvp. And welcome to what pvpers dealt with for two entire expansions. Mythic+ people spent all of legion and bfa telling people who did arena to just suck it up and do mythic+ if they want to compete. Doesn’t feel nice when you’re told to just shut up mythic+ guy does it? Imagine like 4-5 years of that vs the 2 MONTHS people who who do dungeons since release have had to deal with this expansion.
Edit didn’t see your other post til right now. Mythic+ essentially replaced that stuff. In cata etc you could only get normal raid level loot from. It anyway. And then only for a handful of slots. If it were a few slots too that’d be fine. But people want Mythic raid level loot from it. Benthic last expansion gave certain slots that were heroic ilevel but better than mythic loot in Mythic raiding even though it was world content. That is what people use as their example of what they’d like, and for obvious reasons that would not be okay.
They didn’t legit nerf raid loot into the ground in the middle of a raid week either to make more “fair” either. O wait. They did. XD
So why are we treating each other like trash when Blizz is treating everyone like trash? I feel like you are just trying to pull something out of nothing. I am not complaining about loot specifically, I’m not saying woe is me, pity me. I’m not new to WoW, but it’s still just a video game, something really silly to hold a grudge over.
The biggest problem is that nobody knows how long the season will last.
Blizzard cut drop rates in half. That’s fine - IF this is an 8-month season, so that people will have time to gear using the new, reduced, rates and still complete the content they want to do afterwards.
If this is another 4-month-special like Tomb of Sargeras and Uldir, though, then there’s a massive problem, because people won’t have time to gear and then the season is suddenly over.
And Blizzard is completely silent on this issue, which is a major problem. Hopefully this will be an 8-month season, and the lower drop rates are just so that we can do it more leisurely instead of being all GO GO GO GO GO like the game’s felt like the last few years. But there’s no way to know.
While i understand your argument, pvp is barely relevant compared to raiding and M+ so if anything it makes more sense for it to be done the opposite if at all, then to force people to pvp.
Its the entitlement some mythic+ people have. Asking for gear they didn’t earn to “push” content that shouldn’t, imo, exist. They’re also the most consistently toxic people on the forums. Not one single mythic raider has ever called me out for my progression. But notice how many times even in this thread people who prefer to do dungeons have. Tewa (that monk) and I have gone round and round and round in threads but they’ve never tried to armory shame me for it. Some things we’ve agreed on. I think they had me blocked for a while too though. 
argue against the posts not anything else. I’ve argued mythic dungeons are too lucrative. Blizz obviously agreed and that’s why it was changed. If you don’t think so then make non toxic posts where you aren’t attacking people. Dungeons are ultimately a side game though. Like pvp is. Raiding is the pinnacle of wow. Everything you do from the moment you start questing in an expansion culminates in the raids. And often mythic only bosses exist that are the real end of the story. No dungeon will ever be on the level of importance as raids.
I feel the same way about mythic+ as I do about pvp. They’re side games and the real story gets solved in raiding. Imo they should be about the same gearing wise and then mythic raids should provide the best gear. Thats just my opinion. Or cap them at +15 and make them as hard as the last boss of mythic raids.
One thing to understand, if people are calling you out on any progression it’s because you’re sticking your nose where it does not belong, meaning you do none of the content but want to form an opinion about something that has 0 to do with what you do? I would not start talking about pvp because i don’t play it. That is my point.
I do understand your logic though, just my thoughts on why people are even mentioning that.
Do you think I don’t have friends who do all this stuff? I don’t argue its fun or not as I don’t do it. And as far as saying something is too lucrative it makes things feel pointless im speaking from experience. WQ last expansion made it feel pointless to do normal raids. Then those things you could do that dropped 370 gear when it was heroic level. Then warfronts the entire expansion gave out heroic loot too. I did a lot of stuff in legion that I didn’t do I bfa because I got no reward for it. Which is what yall are complaining about right? Well I just didn’t do the stuff. I geared my monk this expansion so when I get a new computer my wife and I are gonna push mythic+ and heroic raids together. Money is tight right now though so haven’t been able to yet though. And one of the main reasons i wanna do stuff this expansion is specifically because of the mythic+ loot nerf. And the loot nerfs in general. Because I am one of those “I want to earn” my gear people. I refuse to be carried and that’s why we don’t raid right now. My wife could do mythic and carry me and id get loot dying 30s into a boss but I refuse to do that.
You are 100% wrong. I have been getting 220 - 226 for what will be the fourth week now, with a grand total ilvl of 211 having already gotten 2 duplicate pieces (2x belts 2x helms for 2 of the 4 weeks), but that leaves me with only 2 226 pieces in total compared to the people who are top ended in m+ with almost entirely 226 across the board. I was ilvl 203 2 weeks ago clearing 13’s just fine. Mythic raiding before the nerf yielded raiders almost 10 pieces already if they’ve cleared it 3 times. Even heroic raiding gear is 100% better than anything you can get from M+ except the dungeon vault, which only happens once a week, so there is essentially TWO raids that gear you harder than m+ even can, one of which requires little to no effort, as heroic raiding has always been a joke of an easy experience, and mythic always overtuned for lower gear levels, which is why I stopped doing it seriously years ago. Collaborating with that many people who seemingly cannot grasp certain mechanics and dying for hours because the same couple people keep screwing up has never been my thing. This is the definition of heroic raiding. You give me 2 wipes on any raid boss where we have progressed to at least see every mechanic it does, and I don’t screw up. I almost blew a gasket for AOTC on g’huun, watching how bad people were at the ball toss, not jumping down onto bad, blowing cd’s at wrong times, not switching targets when they should, etc. I no longer have the patience to sit through raids like I used to in burning crusade where I raided with 2 guilds named Letalis and Murderfest for 60 hours a week (Yes, 60 hours a week, no life-ing it while working at an internet cafe back then). I have more raid experience than 98% of the player base in just this one expansion alone. I’m telling you this because I want you to realize the idea of cramming the best gear behind an undesirable wall is a problem. Raiding not a part of the game I enjoy any more. The game is about playing with people, but finding that many people who can execute mechanics properly for any 1 guild is almost impossible because everyone wants their friend to come, and said friend is almost always bad. m+ dungeons are the hardest content in the game right now, because it progressively scales FOREVER. Mythic raiding does not. Mythic raid isn’t even the hardest, but is consistently held back by 2 things. The first being gear, and the 2nd being human errors being excessively abundant across larger groups. So when you say this is due to lack of skill, you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about.
You are right about it “not being a mythic raid”. It is the only content that has the ability to be far HARDER than a mythic raid, because its difficulty is infinite.
If i played disc and didn’t pug, sure. But I only pug. 100% pug. I only solo queue, and as a result, end up with a lot of bads that stand in 1 shot mechanics, get punted off of the maps, “accidentally” pop hero before a boss then leave a group, etc. If you play disc, you can’t pug an entire group. Disc requires your team not suck complete balls by taking 5.7khps worth of damage in almost every single trash pull. Holy is the only spec of my 2 options that can offset that. Disc doesn’t even come close. If I had pugs that didn’t stand in virtually every mechanic on the planet, I would be free to disc and do extra dps, and quite frankly clear things more frequently, but that’s just not how exclusively solo queueing into pugs works. Plain and simple.
And while raids can be great fun for people that still enjoy them, the hardest content in the game due to its never-ending expandability, is m+ dungeons. Not being able to get the best gear to do m+ dungeons, OUT of m+ dungeons is a bit goofy, and always has been. People that mythic raid are being forced to go PVP right now. That’s another topic. Many of them don’t like it. They are forcing play styles onto people they don’t care for, and have zero interest in. I play ONLY for m+, so why do I need to raid to get the best gear again? I’ve proposed using a set list of gear for everyone in m+ so it can be a true testament to skill only, but that idea gets shot down every time.