These are the responses that are worth reading. Actually well thought out, articulated responses. I agree with nearly everything you said.
The whole loot debate is neither here nor there. I’m not going to complain about anything, outside of doing ten dungeons at a ten or above this week, and I am 204 ilvl. That is four levels above full normal raid geared. For what, 30 ish hours of work? Yes, today when I log back on I’ll get a 223/220/220, will they be great, time will tell. But that is still one piece.
Like you said, if they kept drops the same pre nerf, and had 15s drop 213, I’d be fine with that. But I am running 10s/11s/12s at 204 ilvl, mostly with guildies but also pugs. And I’ll be hitting a wall soon where my only upgrade will be from a 14/15. So it would be non stop running, in hopes that the key is timed, in hopes that it drops leather and something I could use, in a slot that is an upgrade.
Loot is not enjoyable atm, I think we all agree on that. Maybe because I didn’t play Legion and only the tail end of BFA, I don’t see where this M+ hate comes from or why there is a divide.