That’s true. In the real world… oh wait.
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- Ran away like a scared child when Arthas was obviously turning to the dark side
- Murders her own people on Kalimdor and then seeks revenge on the horde for something she is equally responsible for
- Straight up goes on a psycho killing spree in Dalaran.
She doesnt deserve absolution. She was never a good character. She is like an billionaire heiress who does whatever she wants because consequences doesnt apply to her.
oh also
- Straight up bails on everyone when we are about to get wiped out by the legion.
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Maybe not everyone would be all chummy chummy, but when you have actual faction leaders who were chummy chummy, then they stupidly go one expansion later “you are the source of evil! I’m ignoring the fact less than a year ago we swore to make a better azeroth!”
something is seriously wrong with the writing.
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A bit sad to see people defending the abysmal writing that has become the norm at Blizzard.
BFA? Sure, fine. It’s boring because it is mostly a rehash, but it makes some modicum of sense when taken out of context.
Legion, on the other hand, has the most ridiculous writing I have ever seen make it into something as popular as the warcraft franchise.
Here is the revised and logically written version of Legion’s story:
The legion sends a huge fleet of their ships to azeroth. They use their huge death lazers shown off on Argus to destroy all of the cities and drop literal millions of demons onto Azeroth to mop everything up.
The end.
The fact that they pulled so many punches against us and then lost because of it is beyond ridiculous. So much for the big bad of the franchise, that super threatening “endless army.”
Nevermind all that junk about Illidan.
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- Yes, because Jaina bears the sole blame for the Lich King’s prophetic power pushing Arthas into becoming his Champion of the Scourge. /s
- Literally what? She stepped aside to let the Horde champions kill her father because if he remained, MORE of her people would have been killed as he fed them into the woodchipper that is war with the Horde.
- Literally didn’t happen. She froze people and teleported them to the Violet Hold and didn’t order deaths of any Sunreavers-- that was entirely on Vereesa. Before you say “I saw her frostbolt somebody”, the devs tweeted that it was a bug, and Jaina herself didn’t kill anyone in Dalaran.
- She was still fighting the Legion, if you’d read the lore about it. She just wasn’t fighting the Legion from Dalaran because she didn’t want to associate with the Horde.
I love your hyperbole. “Unlawfully imprisoning people” = “PSYCHO KILLING SPREE”.
“Walked away from a horrible but necessary decision a loved one was making” = “RAN AWAY LIKE A SCARED CHILD”.
“Stands aside” = “MURDERS HER OWN PEOPLE”.
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Doesnt help her case at all. Still a god awful annoying character that needs frostbolt herself in the face.
The last time there was a good horde v alliance conflict was in WC3. After that is was both factions against the Lich King. After that…nothing. Maybe Legion?
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The “point” was to remind us that the Light is NOT a purely good force, and at it’s worst is perfectly willing to stomp on other’s freewill if they won’t go down the ONE path they see as correct, even if the path they would go down otherwise would lead to the same result in the end.
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Illidan: “I’d sacrifice anything for me, but I won’t do that!”
Illidan being a “good guy” at all doesn’t even make sense, especially if you play through Warcraft 3:The Frozen Throne. He and his minions literally go on a rampage in Ashenvale, destroying villages and killing all the Night Elves living there for no reason at all. Then we’re supposed to believe he does what he does for the people? Yeah…
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I wish someone would say this before a state of the union address.
I really do.
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When you look over certain expansions-- We get nothing but rehashed, rewritten content.
And it Started at Cata-- How we got Mist out of all of this, was amazing. Mist was new content that, with new a new story that really did well with the faction divide.
But logically-- Warlords to BfA, it’s all just the same story, in a different time, and rewritten.
Also-- If you have to use time travel to rehash a story it’s an automatic failure.
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The Naaru are not gods.
mix with alternate universes even better.
See part of me likes that aggressive nature the space goats get in the mag’har scenario. Peace with honor? Yeah…no. lets wipe em. Not pretty but hey its gets stuff done regardless lol.
Odd I know as you see this and are the ones to get your butts wiped to get the mag’har orcs lol.
Then we come back to our chunk of the multiverse and its like but but…alternate draenor, just kill em all…where did this go?
This was probably the story they should have went with to begin with-- rather than returning in a different timeline; a return to Outlands with this story as the primary arc.
Still would have made MORE sense to have the Mag’har join the Horde at that point. As it stands, it makes zero sense. The story behind it makes no sense.
To be fair, the writing has been pretty terrible since Cataclysm. And “I am my scars” would have been a dumb line, if it were coming from anybody other than Illidan.
That cinematic was the most Illidan that Illidan has ever been, I loved it.
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So an orc that wants to prevent his people from going down the same emotional rabbit hole he went through by controlling a power that can manipulate negative emotions is a “one-dimensional bad guy”?
If you stop, think and see the big picture. The story line in Stonetalon mountains was the anomaly. Even his encounter in SoO mirrors his story arc. You also have to remember that majority of his advisers left behind by Thrall made death threats (such as Vol’jin) or even challenged his authority (Cairne) soon after he became warchief.
Now i’m not a “garrosh did nothing wrong” brain dead fanboy. Resurrecting an Old God is one of the most horrible things you could do in WoW. However, upon learning about the sha, Garrosh was eager to find ways to control it. Such as with the Divine Bell.
Garrosh’s story arc mirrors that of Arthas, as noted in the War Crimes novel. Replace Ner’zhul with Y’shaarj, however there is a difference. Y’shaarj didn’t need to manipulate events to turn Garrosh from an enemy to ally.
Also, where exactly is “every other instance of time, Garrosh was a true hero of the horde” coming from? Can you supply any evidence of that occurring please.
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Before the age of the Rings timeline, it is absolutely massive dragons and wars among the gods and all kinds of craziness that would be hard to visualize well outside of books. After the War of the Ring, it is basically the age of Men nonsense where all of the cool races leave and Aragorn’s son mops up some Orcs.
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you, like the writers, are just feebly pawing through religious angst due to shame.
illidan was made powerful because he was born lightforged, therefore the yellow eyes. it is those like you why the story is beyond useless now because you support any bad storytelling as long as it has generic “edge.”
yet neither you or the writers understand free will.
Will is the ability to do Good, period. Free will is doing Good on your own.
Any bad or evil act is a negation of choice and eternal slavery.
That is a little bit too high of a reality for people who scream with blood dripping down their chins about their own self-aggrandizing worship of evil.
Source please
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Of what, a basic definition from the Magesterium (here comes the wailing and gnashing of teeth)?
Here is Venerable Fulton Sheen teaching some highest-level eschatology about the purpose and absolute limitation of choice. Something every child learned in a classical education (and I mean child as in the first year of class as there is nothing more fundamental):
https://youtu.be/d3H7cQ_BaRw
Here’s another definition. Freedom is responsibility. not some undefined license for you to eternally damn yourself, or that you must be “responsible” with your freedom. Freedom is just another word for responsibility.