This is a lot of thought put into a subject defused by one point.
Sylvanas can’t raise non-human races as undead. Yet she suddenly gained the power to do so out of nowhere at Darkshore.
There’s literally no explanation beyond Blizzard not knowing how their own lore works. No deeper meaning. No future plot. It’s a rehash of MoP and we need to stop giving Blizzard’s bad writing a free pass by making up conspiracy theories for it.
I’m not sure how that proves it incorrect.
No conspiracy here. Just having a good time trying to figure out what that line of N’zoth’s dialogue means 
Because you’re wondering why Elune allowed the Kaldorei to be raised instead of asking why Sylvanas suddenly gained that power without anyone even acting like it was out of the ordinary.
The answer, of course, being that Blizzard forgot how their lore works. Again.
And it’s fine to have fun, but it comes with the problem of basically falling for a misdirection ploy. If we don’t challenge the bad writing when we have the chance, we end up getting more and more of it.
I guess I’m not understanding why that makes Elune allowing it to happen impossible.
I’m not falling for anything lol I’m just enjoying a game I’m paying for anyway. I disagree that fun comes at some sinister expense in this situation.
I’ve spent a year challenging it. And I will continue to do so. But I’m also going to enjoy what we already have.
I have to agree with Enekie on this one. Speculating and theorycrafting is loads of fun but it presupposes that the suite of lore under analysis follows consistent rules, and that things will build logically upon other things in a pattern from which we can logically extrapolate. Neither of those is true of Warcraft.
When the devs want something to happen, they’ll put that in the story, in their “writing dojo” where they’re insulated from feedback from their customers, employees, or the actual writers who work for them, and it won’t make a lick of sense, and that’s what will go into live.
At this point I kinda feel like findings ways to rationalize the story is feeding the problem.
Because Sylvanas, canonically, does not have that power. Now that the plot needs her to, she does. The power came from nowhere, has no explanation and no one has even mentioned it. It’s just bad writing. Elune doesn’t figure into it.
I wouldn’t say it’s sinister. Just sloth. It’s doing Blizzard’s legwork for them instead of forcing them to answer for their bad decisions.
Just sharing a theory. It’s not really lazy, or being gullible, or anything else other than that lol
And it’s very possibly incorrect. But it’s my theory.
How can it be a theory when it’s operating off a completely false supposition?
I feel like this whole disagreement is over whether you’re willing to analyze the lore from within it, or only from a meta perspective outside.
Looking at lore from an inner perspective, immersing yourself in it and examining the universe as it presents itself, presupposes an investment and willingness to suspend disbelief.
My issue, and I think Enekie’s, is that this material just doesn’t supply that anymore. It doesn’t feel worth the effort of immersing oneself in and giving that credit.
Personally, I try to express that in terms of “this is no longer fun for me.” I wouldn’t want to crap on people for doing something they still enjoy, even if I envy them a little for still being able to. People’s harmless fun is hurting nothing.
My theory is that Elune made a pact with either Sylvanas or some death-entity, which is why Sylvanas’ insane plan worked and Elune didn’t intervene and smite her with ease, as I’m fairly certain she could have.
Sure, you can say no lore matters, because Blizzard has goofed up pretty bad with BfA, but I’m discussing lore theories, not more meta concepts like Ion’s obsession with Sylvanas.
This, basically. It’s sort of two different conversations happening at each other now.
Edit: And I’ll add that for my part at least, the frustrating thing that keeps pushing me to keep griping about this is that it is an emotional thing. I loved doing this for the longest time and I had an emotional investment in the lore. Having the lore stretched, mangled, and disrespected by its own creators to the point that it can’t hold the weight of my investment anymore has yet to stop being upsetting. I’m still salty enough to snip about it even when I probably ought to keep quiet. Sorry.
But you’re darting the fact that Sylvanas, canonically, cannot raise non-humans and now she can and nobody has said anything about that in-game. Literally no one has said “how can she do that now” or even “wait, she couldn’t do that before.”
She couldn’t do it. Now the plot needs her to, so she can.
Your theory doesn’t work because it doesn’t address this.
Okay, then the theory is flawed. It’s a theory, not a thesis paper 
i can’t believe Korrgosh stole Enekie’s bowl of Trix and now she’s out for revenge
No theory addresses that because it’s hot garbage nonsense writing. Some folks are still just willing to theorycraft around the yawning plot holes. Not me, but…hey, whatever folks have fun with.
I mean honestly in a more cohesively-written universe, I think my theory carries less weight ![:joy:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/joy.png?v=6" ":joy:")
That’s kind of my point. It can’t be a theory because it’s not addressing the central fact that the plot bends for Sylvanas and they can’t be arsed to do the legwork to justify it.
You’re not operating from a central conceit, so your theory can’t actually be flawed so much as it can’t be a theory.
Like, I could say that Sylvanas is actually six ducks in a waifu suit, but we can’t call that a theory because there’s no basis for it. That’s just zany speculation.
No cereal. Only oatmeal. Bitter and full of fiber.
I haven’t allowed anyone to have fun on these forums in twenty years and I’m sure as heck not going to start now.
… My theory is a theory, because I’ve theorized it.
Just to be clear, we’re talking about video game lore, not higher mathematics. I think you can relax about what definition of “theory” is being used.
It is exhausting to like you sometimes, Enekie.
Humans have been in space, and other humans theorize space doesn’t exist.
I’m allowed to have a dumb theory about Ion’s waifu.