The lack of Shadowform Options feels akin to Ableism

The pre-Legion shadow form is sooo much better than the current form.

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I like the Legion one best. Not completely ghost-like but you can still tell its shadowform.

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I have never read something that I technically agreed with but was so off-putting due to the overwhelmingly self-righteous and arrogant tone. The self-victimizing and posturing yourself to be above any criticism is so obnoxious I can’t even begin to describe. I haven’t posted on the forms since WOTLK. I hope they add the change, and I simultaneously hope gives you the proverbial punch in the face you need to not be so absolutely insufferable OP. Back to lurking for another 15 years.

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brinng demon form to worlock too pls

So ableism isn’t actively discriminating, but is instead not doing EVERYTHING to accommodate EVERY disability? With that definition, quite literally everything is ableist.

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i like that bilzzard has colorblind mode it very thoughtful of them

That’s a helpful definition, thank you.

I feel like this may perhaps be a case of solving it via turning off Shadowform before mounting (though I do know that isn’t always easy to do depending on what’s going on at the time you need to mount).

That said, I do agree that we need more glyph options for things like Shadowform and the like. Glyphs to turn certain effects down or completely off, Glyphs to make effects change to something less eye-straining, etc.

I wish they’d not just flat out stopped giving us glyphs. A lot of accessibility issues could be solved with them, on top of simply providing many customization options for player characters.

Because I ask nicely for a feature and define the reasons I feel such a feature would be helpful, it is self righteous and arrogant? I don’t see how that is the case, but since responding to that claim is probably an exercise in futility, I’ll keep it simple. Sure. Whatever you say. :roll_eyes:

I mean, I could dive into hyperbolic ranting or accusations as others have against me, but I choose not to. That is not my purpose or desire. Still, I would hate to see how you respond when people demand things and say “You will do X or else.”, such as when various classes get nerfed or buffed for various reasons.

Frankly, those come off to me as far more self-victimizing than anything I ever might say. Because of that, I think you should be ashamed of yourself for claiming that; especially given how unruly and hateful the forums get any time the developers make even the slightest tweak to a class.

I also would recommend that you reread every post I made. At no point have I been the aggressor in any of these posts, or engaged in name-calling. Nope, I’ve left that to others. That is why Blizzard has ignored the false flagging and attempts to engage in what amounts to a Heckler’s veto.

Blizzard actually responded to me with a very kind response in the accessibility email that Leilleath provided (thank you again for that!). So honestly? While I don’t know if Blizzard will do anything about this, I am thankful that they, unlike the community; listened and responded.

Also I will stress again, that all I have ever said was:
“Please, consider this and my reason for suggesting this guys. Thanks for reading.”

But this apparently outrages people who do not have to deal with the issue that I and likely thousands of others who play this game do. I am sorry that someone asking to be heard is emotionally jarring for some people. It has however given me some measure of enlightenment however, as I think I understand a bit better what certain communities have to deal with now; as a consequence of the behavior some have displayed in this thread.

Turn down particle effects

Just play your ret pally. You’ll thank me later.

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Let’s be clear on a couple of things. This isn’t ableist. Calling it that is incorrect. In no way shape or form is what Blizzard did with current shadow form some kind of deliberate intent to make people with sensitive eyes have a more difficult time. That makes no sense.

Such said, the puff effect hitting the screen over and over is certainly annoying and I say this as someone who plays a priest as their main. Having the old shadowform from vanilla would actually be a massive upgrade considering it looked better, captured shadow priest feel much more clearly, and did not have such an odd, disorienting puff. A glyph would be good.

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I did not say at any point ever that it ever was intentional.

That would be an insane assumption to make. I do not believe Blizzard ever did this intentionally. Not in a million years. However ignoring the issue after many different people have raised it as a concern, does make a strong case that it is a form of ableism, whether intentional or not.

Please reference my earlier post where several Medical Boards agree with that assessment.

  • Inaccessible design: Designing buildings, public spaces, products, and technology that only caters to nondisabled people is an example of ableism. This includes websites that have no text enlargement feature, buildings that have no ramp for wheelchairs, and sidewalks with obstacles that make walking more difficult.

Emphasis on the bolded part. By leaving this unaddressed it becomes ableism.

Glyphs were exactly where my mind went to as well. I’m always a fan of adding content to solve a problem. Glyph of Solid Shadow: condenses your void energy making you take on the appearance of a black hole.

They gave you the workaround… Toggle it off. When a person in a wheelchair gets to a ramp, they don’t complain that there is more ground to travel to get to the same place. They take the ramp. Turning off shadowform before mounting is your ramp. Therefore, not ableism.

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With all due respect that is not a work around.

It would be if there was not a 10% Damage aura baked into it which made it required to use. However because there is, it is required for anyone who wants to play their class at maximum efficiency. To reuse your statement’s logic by another metric, that is more like taking a ramp to get into a building and then discovering that your destination is on the fifth floor, and the building itself has no elevators or ramps.

The glyph barely works. it’s very insubstantial

OP knew exactly what they were doing coming in here and using that word. Probably best to just ignore it.

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Thats like me saying ‘blizzard help me get 3000 3v3 rating because ive been playing since 2006.’ I got a fun way to fix OPs issue. Turn off shadowform before mounting. Or stop being a weak body :man_shrugging:

The real problem here is the design of shadow priests overall, and the form they have tied to it.

Shadowpriests spells should gain in strength the more insanity they have, but once you hit cap, you have an unholy nova, with a 40 yd range, that explodes every 1 second for whatever your current mana is, that affects allies, and heals foes. So you have to do things that burn off insanity, which just happens to be your spenders, or become a liability.

As you gain insanity, your shadowform goes from basically non-existent, to a totally black, completely opaque mass with tentacles and maybe some eyeballs. You start floating and exploding unholy nova.

No puffy black smoke. You just become the living embodiment of the Void.

That should solve like 90% of the complaints everybody has about shadowform. When not actively casting shadow spells (not in combat) you can see your totally awesome tmog. While casting shadow spells, insanity makes more sense from a logical perspective - you’re using more of the maddening shadows, you’re going more insane/becoming one with the void.

It also solves the issue stated in this thread.

However, the legal definition of Ableism (not the dictionary definitions) is:

" Ableism is the discrimination of and social prejudice against people with disabilities based on the belief that typical abilities are superior . At its heart, ableism is rooted in the assumption that disabled people require ‘fixing’ and defines people by their disability."

Since there was no INTENT on Blizzard’s part, and Blizzard has a proven track record of, in good faith, trying to be accommodating to people with disabilities, as well as being compassionate and encompassing towards other social issues, such as changes from Male/Female to Body Type 1/Body Type 2, all of the Dracthyr, in dragon form being androgynous, and some being masculine, with feminine voices, having male names but appearing as female gnomes, homosexual characters, etc. being featured, as well as a whole list of other things that have been included, particularly with this last expansion, I really don’t believe they can be deemed “Ableists”.

What they have is an issue that was never known to be an issue, that will likely get addressed. Especially if the OP, instead of discussing it on the forums, writes an email to their customer service and states something along the lines of: “Hi, as a player who experiences issues when certain visual effects happen on screen, I was hoping that the particle effects associated with the shadow priest’s shadow form effect could be addressed. Specifically, the puffs of smoke that fly at the screen while in flight. A glyph that removes the puffy smoke, or an effect that can be toggled in the game settings would be fantastic. Thanks for taking the time to hear my concern!”