The lack of casting is boring - trash meta is trash

PVP Arenas
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Definitely.

The amount of uptime melee have is too high. The amount of snares/roots is too high. The amount of micro CC overall is too high. Too many quasi interrupts in the game. Too many DPS can setup their own go now. Locks, fire, sub, dks, etc. People need to work as a team in the same way.

I get it. It’s complicated and there isn’t an easy solution here because most of this is getting driven by PvE and M+. M+ is extremely demanding for movement. So, by default, PvP follow suit. I’m not sure if there is a way to turn back on that.

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Yep. That’s the new form of arena that the majority of players enjoy. Thanks for stopping in.

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are you complaining your shuffle games are too long?

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Not really. Just making an observation. That cool?

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if healers actually made up a third of arena players, that might matter

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I dont think u would enjoy double hard cast mw lobbies either

especially if the MWs are good

I think your frustrations may be based on the fact that hpals have been a meme for many years and you arent used to them being S tier

pre nerf disc and pre nerf fistweaver were objectively stronger in their respective metas than current hpal.

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Nah. Healers come and go.

Where palis are is… kinda the natural progression of where the game is headed. It’s like being in a double holy pali lobby and I’m the only dispel. I roll the dice to see if I can get bop with tranq and in many cases, I get air. So my pressure drops off. Then it’s grinding through sac and a bunch of other CDs before the game really feels like it even starts.

Meanwhile, a bunch of specs are rewarded for not casting or doing anything but just pressing that W key. I get it. It’s what works. No hate for players again by any means, it’s just the design of the game.

It’s like the mage that called me bad for calling him out for not using poly, even though they were on me. They had a lot of experience. Maybe they were 100% right. Regardless, I died with no peels while the mage was just pumping damage. Or every boomi that just cast clone NOT to actually clone the target, but to proc precog to pop incarn.

Games weird. If people are enjoying it, coolio.

Maybe, but I think it’s a bit early to see.

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I’ve PvP’d for a long time now, as my mainstay activity.

This is the first time, in almost forever, that I don’t want to do it anymore.

It hurts my wrists to play these days, with all the micro-crap happening. Too much bloat.

Too much damn burst, and I feel like my crowd control is useless (scatter shot, ice trap) because zug-zug melee keep breaking it with AoEs.

It’s extremely stressful, fighting for a win, and PvP has never stressed me out this much.

I consider Solo Shuffle to be a failure.

Battlegrounds, not arenas. Let more people play and have fun, because not everyone was made for deathmatch.

Fighting Paladins isn’t fun, heck, most of the classes aren’t fun to fight against anymore.

Rated Battlegrounds are dead content, too.

Class balance is horrible.

Why play any other class, when you can just zug through everything as Ret?

The amount of Rets in Shuffle is staggering. They out-represent every other DPS by a wide margin.

Just kill me now, because I PvP on this class lol.

Hit 1800 last season, that’s probably it for me.

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“these days”

Adroi has been complaining since at the very least MoP from memory.

He’s the guy that made tanking mmr to cap your alts in quest gear bannable (when you started at 1500 and everyone at that mmr had full conq gear mid season).

I remember it vividly.

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if you don’t mind me asking, would you enjoy random bgs more if there were some feature in place that tried to ensure all 9 teammates you got were able and willing to compete for the win? by that all i mean is no deadweight trying to get geared and nobody actively trolling the group

lol i thought me and fluent and notorious were the only people still here who remembered that

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Yes, 100%.

Just did a random battleground, and I was giving out advice because we had quite a few people not even in PvP gear, and we got stomped.

Why do battlegrounds not have an iLvL requirement, yet normal dungeons do?

There’s PvP greens on the AH, that give 424 ilvl, and honor blues that go to 434, bloody token gear 437.

I kid you not, I was inspecting people, and one guy had a ilvl ~242 mythic polearm from a previous expansion. In a lvl 70 battleground.

At that point, I just snapped.

I’m done, because I’m the only one that takes it seriously anymore.

I realize it’s randoms and not rated, but finding rated groups is hard, it’s semi-dead right now.

Wish there was a solo-queue option, so I wasn’t forced to do Arena (shuffle) for rating and conquest.

I NEVER want to step foot into any of the arenas, ever again.

Spam-clone isn’t fun.

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yeah see that’s the main reason i’ve never enjoyed random bgs without friends who can help me abuse teamwork to carry. my hope from the qualified success of ranked solo is that bgs eventually get there-i don’t actually want or look forward to snobbery about bg rating, but some kind of way to ensure that all 10 of us in a bg are actually trying to win would be awesome.

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Seems like they removed a lot of drawbacks to defensives like bop, it used to make you unable to attack others during it. Bubble used to reduce your damage done and I think attack speed.

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Buff disc amd r druid mana.

Read this bluzzard.

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df’s the funnest arenas been for me in ages

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Hpally is absolutely disgusting right now and a Tier above any other healer. It’s definitely over tuned.

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I still enjoy it, but it does come in waves. With such massive changes in power levels, it’s hard to ever get into a groove. Not that I would want weaker specs to buffs, but the changes happening are huge. This expansion is almost getting exhausting at all the changes. In one sense, I’m glad they are pushing for changes to help remedy where PvP is, but we just go from in the frying pan right into the fire.

Sort of. I enjoy it, but I wish it complimented 3s instead of being competition with it. Had solo shuffle been introduced in wrath or mop, I think 3s would still have been the most popular form or instanced PvP. Classes made more sense then. Now, barely anything is unique and output (healing or damage) is often king)

This is mostly a lie and you might want to get your memory checked.

I didn’t want players banned for tanking. My issue was players were spam queueing 2s and leaving matches to drop their MMR to farm lower CR players for easy caps or carries. My suggestion back then was to punish players for leaving matches. Days after that thread we got deserter.

In the end, probably players like yourself, were killing PvP. Farming new players in the lowest brackets for easy wins. It was the first time I had ever seen so many players with sub 500 ratings. New players didn’t have a chance.

I don’t understand why anyone would be happy with so many people exploiting the game and other players. Are you defending that? Do you think that was actually good for PvP?

It didn’t happen.

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I think you’re doing it wrong man, just holy shock on cd and judge on cd. I barely have to cast flash of light and I don’t even have holy light on my bars. Only thing I cast is tyr’s deliverance and denounce

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I think the abundance of melee is just as noticeable.

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cooldowns are a tad bit too strong imo.

would like to see a less cooldown based meta