Reminder!
Mages like Jaina can blow up an entire Horde armada, like the one that dared to invade Anglepoint Wharf.
Jaina also faced the entire military of a nation and the Horde garrison on Zandalar and was able to stop them on their tracks.
I feel the opposite. As the foremost Mary Sue of WoW she becomes a narrative black hole.
Alliance BoD epilogue has Jaina taking over the role of the peacemaker from Anduin.
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: Press the attack as the Zandalari mourn their fallen king? That would make us no better than the Banshee.
Jaina needs to be enslaved by the Horde or something smh. 
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I don’t see what people dislike so much about Jaina, tbh. She snapped when she was at her lowest point, has regained much of what she lost and is closer to who she used to be, but is still definitely different from that person before.
The problem is really that the Alliance has a glut of reasonable people in a narrative that doesn’t really support them being reasonable.
Considering both Oculeth and Jaina were able to make portals, I’d call this a minor plothole from oversight more than anything else. You could try to explain it (reasonably) with “the portal is small and can only support a few moving in and out” but frankly I think that the portal existing at all basically undercuts the urgency of the Naz story.
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This is now a problem for the Horde as well now. Which makes it double the problem that both factions are now in this bubble. The Blizzard C-Dev team have written themselves into an uninteresting, boring, bland corner. Why did they do this when they could have chosen another route. The world may never know.
“And they lived reasonably ever after” is a fine way to tie up a plotline.
They just don’t. Seem to want to actually end that plotline.
While it’s unlikely to be officially explained, one might suppose she could have asked to hitch a ride back to Kul Tiras with Magni, since apparently Azshara’s spell couldn’t prevent the Speaker of Azeroth from teleporting to Nazjatar and back by way of either MOTHER or his own Speaker powers (it’s unclear which) to retrieve the player and start the patch’s HoA upgrade quest.
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There’s also implied contact between the gilgoblins and mechagon horde-side in the breadcrumb from Naz to Mechagon, not to mention Naz having all of the mechagon related craft recipes learned from a trainer.
And doesn’t the quest for your sixth champion imply the rescued sailors went back above sea?
The portal is more like a black hole of logic
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I wonder how they wanted to press the attack on Zandalar when they fled from the incoming Zandalari army, and experienced quite a significant casulties on attacking the reargaurd only. This didn’t make any sense to me.
And for the worse in 8.2.5 the Alliance leadershipclaimed that they were only after Sylvanas for all this time.
Wouldn’t it be more reasonable for them to make it appear that they will attack Zandalari, make them all mobilize their forces to Zandalar, THEN blow the ships to gound them and attack Orgrimmar instead?
She is the most inconsistently written character in WoW, other than being as powerful as needed to handle any obstacle in her way. Her personality practically changes every other patch. People like to call Sylvanas out for being a Mary Sue, but Jaina makes her look Shakespearean in quality.
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Wrath: Peacenik
Cata: Peacenik
MoP: Loses her crap because her city got nuked after she let orcs murder her dad in it in the name of peace
WoD: Unseen
Legion: Is willing to fight the Legion, is not willing to trust the Horde
Pre8.0: Despondent, has almost nothing left to lose, on edge constantly, eager to fight
8.0: Reunited with family, starts to chill, still does not trust Horde
8.1: Does not trust Horde but is no longer willing to cross rules of engagement
8.2: Recovers more family because of Horde. Reevaluates.
8.3: Lets go of her anger and is willing to work with Horde again.
That’s a pretty clear arc. Not the world’s best arc, but it’s probably WoW’s best on screen character development. There are clear and simple links for all her changes. My biggest problem is that at 8.3 she should probably still be at least telling Thrall “it’s not your fault but maybe the Horde was a mistake”
She is some vague and non descript powerful, but we almost never see Jaina do anything with that power besides teleport people, so I’m not sure how it matters; her biggest contribution to the battle for Lordaeron could have been matched by "Alliance remembers they have an air fleet.
Having power isn’t enough to be detrimental, it’s being uniquely powerful and problem solving
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(Speculative): Unit Exacitor may be wrong, but wouldn’t the Tidestone have been reclaimed by the time Baine needed to be rescued? Or was she just outright defeated? I don’t recall when Baine’s rescue takes place, but it might not be unreasonable to think that either the securing of the Tidestone or Azshara’s fall would’ve enabled the Jaina/Occuleth to get out of Azshara’s trap.
She is but she’s not called upon to show it after the Battle of Drazz’alor. Her presencee at the Second Seige of Orgrimmar is no more consequential than Thylassra’s.
I don’t think these are contradictory. I think you’re reading into the phrasing of that sentence too much. The Heart was used to create that portal. Even if read as you want, it could just be they went together IC. Or she used the portal and it wasn’t safe.
I think this is further supported in that the Horde quest A Way Home doesn’t note restrictions of any sort. As far as the story of being trapped, it seemed more after allying with the locals they wanted to firmly resolve the situation.
The Baine rescue scenario happens almost immediately after we strand in Nazjatar, long before we defeat Azshara.
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IIRC, Thalryssa is probably better than Jaina at defense and barriers, while Jaina is better at offense. Thalryssa even comments that nightborne magic isn’t necessarily geared for war in Legion because the nightborne hadn’t needed to fight in 10,000 years.
Golden liked a lot Elsa and Rey from the recent movies of Disney so she decided to fuse them into Jaina. I found no other explanation to explain the mess of her current character and her recent buff that is gross as the one they gave to Sylvanas.
Also the morality high ground is bend to her will which is another mary sue trait or at the very least she has a lot of hardcore fans in the writing team.
Jaina is almost a god in her own right seeing the kind of power she has on display and how easily she can walk off a beating by an organised Horde champion attack.
I can only see this amount of power being excused for something happening with SLs, even then there is still the chance she could be shanked by a double agent and taken out of the picture since no useless magic user can identify the magic Slyvanas used to one shot Saurfang.
Azshara mocks Thalyssra’s Magical prowess when throwing waves of Water at her saying: "You would presume to challenge my magic, Thalyssra? Allow me to demonstrate why you never ascended to Grand Magistrix."
Thalyssra is not as powerful as one would think.
Bad guy taunting the good guy in a video game?
Sephiroth does the same to Cloud in Advent Children. Didn’t turn out too well for him.
After going through waves of water Thalyssra states: "The flood has stopped for now. That is good because my power is nearly drained."
https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Ever_Drowning