I'm not denying some of you get smashed every game, but some of use don't and just because you guys are loud about it doesnt mean your personal experience is more representative of the alliance solo queue situation than mine.
Normally I wouldn't care. Bellyaching is just part of the game sometimes. I admit to doing it from time to time too because sometimes pvp in the chat is more entertaining than what's going on in game xD.
But lately I'm see a lot more "alliance never win, horde are better at everything" nonsense and it's concerning. You can adjust racials or encourage more people to queue alliance but once morale is gone thats it.
10/26/2018 10:48 AMPosted by Jugajr10/26/2018 10:47 AMPosted by OozoMerc mode fixed everything, huh?
Unless it was a big coincidence that once merc showed up, winrates started to even out and stayed relatively close.
EMFH got nerfed around then too.
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Can I have your seething shore win %?
Why is your ilvl at 336?
I'm just doing a few randoms a night like I did last expansion. Once I cap my points for legs this week, I should be a bit higher.
Legs? You need to make up for all that time wasted with your undead mom. Get the quest at least 2 times a week!
Seriously, if it's common for people to play more casually with their Alliance characters, that's part of the problem.
at the end of the day
if Blizz doesn't address this mass migration all to one side of the boat
well then ........................ glug glug
that said, it's their game, their rules and their spin so
we shall see
if Blizz doesn't address this mass migration all to one side of the boat
well then ........................ glug glug
that said, it's their game, their rules and their spin so
we shall see
I’m on the 4th week and been 120 for 12 days. That’s 2 quests a week.10/26/2018 03:20 PMPosted by Yarrow...
I'm just doing a few randoms a night like I did last expansion. Once I cap my points for legs this week, I should be a bit higher.
Legs? You need to make up for all that time wasted with your undead mom. Get the quest at least 2 times a week!
Seriously, if it's common for people to play more casually with their Alliance characters, that's part of the problem.
10/26/2018 03:23 PMPosted by Sonbtrpnat the end of the day
if Blizz doesn't address this mass migration all to one side of the boat
well then ........................ glug glug
that said, it's their game, their rules and their spin so
we shall see
You say that like this factions have been evenly balance in the past. This has never been the case. Going back to Vanilla.
10/26/2018 02:42 PMPosted by JugajrIt’s not realm based.10/26/2018 02:40 PMPosted by Karenthi...
Or it makes a huge difference which realm you play on. If I'm not mistaken, Emerald Dream is a role-playing realm. Nothing wrong with that, but I think your experience is going to be different from other realms.
Uh, yes it is. More specifically, it's realm type based.
By default, characters from Normal servers are sharded with characters from other Normal servers. Characters from RP servers are sharded with characters from other RP servers. This is in Kul Tiras and Zandalar zones; other zones work differently but aren't relevant here.
You can get to the other type of server, but only by grouping. For example, I'm on a RP server but I grouped into a Normal server group last week to check out how bad the imbalance was on Normal shards. It was substantially more imbalanced than on RP shards. This was consistent with statistics my "agents" collected on war mode percentages in faction capitals.
A:H ratios are currently around 2:3 on RP shards. They are 1:3 or worse on Normal shards. This makes a big difference to game play. Be happy you're on a RP server.
-1/10 trolling10/26/2018 09:44 AMPosted by Muffindiving...
None... ? Do you even understand what's being discussed here?
Edit: I'll try to be a clear as possible for you. The incentive to play Horde right now is to be on the faction that actually has decent players, can win battlegrounds, dominates war mode, and has 80% of the top raiding guilds. This causes a snowball effect where even more good players give up on Alliance and switch to Horde. To fix this problem Blizzard has to give good/serious players incentives to play Alliance.
I believe I do understand. You're upset because you feel that the horde faction has more talented players than the Alliance does. And you feel that it's Blizzard's responsibility to literally bribe those players into switching factions.
Does that about sum it up?
Ignored.
Uh, yes it is. More specifically, it's realm type based.Uh yea that’s exactly what I meant. Servers are merged depending on normal or RP. As for numbers they balance them since servers are merged.
If you don't believe my opinion on faction imbalance, maybe you'll believe Krienn?I believe he believes it is, yes. When comparing his experiences between Legion and BFA, and mostly pvping in a premade scenario, how does that affect the experience?10/25/2018 05:22 AMPosted by KriennHow could Blizz ever fix this? I’m all for a challenge but man it’s been a rough expansion so far. Especially the last two weeks in normals and epics.
I have many friends that play both Alliance and Horde characters regularly. They are not reporting any such horrible imbalances that I have heard. What they do note is the lack of coordination on Alliance vs. Horde. The immediate tendency to give up automatically. I experienced this quite a lot when I solo queued as Alliance at the end of Legion.
I really feel that what people are experiencing comes down to there are currently more skilled players playing Horde vs. Alliance. There are more Horde pvping and also more skilled players on Horde in comparison to Alliance. I do not believe it is as bad as it has been in the past, that is for sure.
Why we see better players on Horde side I have no idea. I have guesses but no factual information to back that up. If it were because of Arcane Torrent like Alliance claimed for years, we would have seen the faction switch this xpac back to Alliance. If Horde had an unfair advantage because of AT, we would see an increase in Alliance win rates once it was changed. Could it be simply a return of good players to Horde now that EMFH has been changed? Orc racial? If so, are we ascertaining that the Orc racial is more powerful than AT was? I don't know. I am not qualified to answer these questions. You would have to ask the top pvp performers these questions.
I still stand by the data... it could be off but I do not feel it's off by a lot. Not enough to warrant the constant outcry we see on this topic. Now WoD, that was imbalance and the data reflected that imbalance very clearly.
I am all for getting rid of factions though. Just put us all in one giant pool.
Your experience is different from mine. My win rate is over 50%, so perhaps you just have bad luck.
...I’m on the 4th week and been 120 for 12 days. That’s 2 quests a week.
Legs? You need to make up for all that time wasted with your undead mom. Get the quest at least 2 times a week!
Seriously, if it's common for people to play more casually with their Alliance characters, that's part of the problem.
You also play a lot, who can be bothered to cap for a 355 piece with mediocore stats or wrong traits.
Um yea we are in a thread about Bgs.10/26/2018 04:29 PMPosted by Neltherial...I’m on the 4th week and been 120 for 12 days. That’s 2 quests a week.
You also play a lot, who can be bothered to cap for a 355 piece with mediocore stats or wrong traits.
Even if they remove Merc mode, you're still going to be left with more horde than alliance... The problem still persists.10/26/2018 02:47 PMPosted by SonbtrpnAnd what exactly are they supposed to do to fix it? Force players to play alliance? Give alliance an unfair advantage like a damage buff? Nerf horde so alliance can win? Blizzard can't really do anything about it. If people don't want to play alliance, they don't want to play alliance...
bs...................blizz can end all mercing and let the chips fall where they may.
a good first step
You're basically asking for Blizzard to punish horde with longer queues, and punish alliance with a smaller pool of players to take from because you're upset. It solves nothing, and only exaggerates the issue.
Having the option for horde to temporarily switch to alliance side gives them more players in the alliance BG pool, while also lowering the amount of players in the horde pool, so their queues are shorter. It helps both sides
10/26/2018 03:04 PMPosted by TzuyuI'm not denying some of you get smashed every game, but some of use don't and just because you guys are loud about it doesnt mean your personal experience is more representative of the alliance solo queue situation than mine.
Normally I wouldn't care. Bellyaching is just part of the game sometimes. I admit to doing it from time to time too because sometimes pvp in the chat is more entertaining than what's going on in game xD.
But lately I'm see a lot more "alliance never win, horde are better at everything" nonsense and it's concerning. You can adjust racials or encourage more people to queue alliance but once morale is gone thats it.
The same people crying about losing all the time now are the same ones who don't try to make their experience better.
http://wow-stats.com/bgwr01.html
There's a minor imbalance.
If you're losing all your games with 40%+ win ratio, it's probably just you.
I remember playing Horde when they dipped into the 30's at one point.
That was a true imbalance.
Stop whining and spamming the forums when the issue is personal. It's almost always been the player, yet people refuse to listen.
There's so much tin-foil hat going on in this thread it's ridiculous. The majority of "really good players" aren't even doing randoms; they're in arenas and RBGs. There's a slightly bigger pool of more "hardcore" casual players on Horde, but these groups exist on Alliance as well.
Join a guild and socialize for once. Your games will go better. It's an MMO.
People roll Horde voluntarily.
This is not really a Blizzard problem, but more of a community/herd-mentality issue. It *just so happens* that most of the best PvPers and PvEers are Horde (a good chunk of the "popular" streamers are also Horde), and so all the lesser players see this and copycat/bandwagon over to the Horde.
People naturally gravitate to "the winning side", just like in real life the reason a lot of people want to come to America is the perception that they will do much better here (more opportunities, money, etc) relative to their home country. It's the same idea with the Horde... there is a wide-spread/widely-accepted perception that the grass is greener on the Horde amongst WoW players.
This is not really a Blizzard problem, but more of a community/herd-mentality issue. It *just so happens* that most of the best PvPers and PvEers are Horde (a good chunk of the "popular" streamers are also Horde), and so all the lesser players see this and copycat/bandwagon over to the Horde.
People naturally gravitate to "the winning side", just like in real life the reason a lot of people want to come to America is the perception that they will do much better here (more opportunities, money, etc) relative to their home country. It's the same idea with the Horde... there is a wide-spread/widely-accepted perception that the grass is greener on the Horde amongst WoW players.
Ya like healers and their mana...
1 healer can heal 3 people for like 3 minutes and experience half of their mana being gone. I mean seriously.
Fights just drag out and drag out when theres a healer around. If there is 2 healers around. thats like a 10minute fight.
If people dont focus healers, thats about a 20minute fight.
All these CCs in the game. You use your cc breaker and then youre cc again. You use another cc breaker. HEY GUESS WHAT you cc again.
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Always get a kick out of comments like this. Ya maybe its you the whole team lost...
I mean yes that can happen. But games are hardly ever close enough for it coming down to 1 person making 1 wrong move.
Like maybe 1 out of 2000 games that will happen
1 healer can heal 3 people for like 3 minutes and experience half of their mana being gone. I mean seriously.
Fights just drag out and drag out when theres a healer around. If there is 2 healers around. thats like a 10minute fight.
If people dont focus healers, thats about a 20minute fight.
All these CCs in the game. You use your cc breaker and then youre cc again. You use another cc breaker. HEY GUESS WHAT you cc again.
10/26/2018 05:46 PMPosted by Shirt
If you're losing all your games with 40%+ win ratio, it's probably just you.
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Always get a kick out of comments like this. Ya maybe its you the whole team lost...
I mean yes that can happen. But games are hardly ever close enough for it coming down to 1 person making 1 wrong move.
Like maybe 1 out of 2000 games that will happen
...-1/10 trolling
I believe I do understand. You're upset because you feel that the horde faction has more talented players than the Alliance does. And you feel that it's Blizzard's responsibility to literally bribe those players into switching factions.
Does that about sum it up?
Ignored.
I'm honored.
10/26/2018 03:44 PMPosted by JugajrUh, yes it is. More specifically, it's realm type based.Uh yea that’s exactly what I meant. Servers are merged depending on normal or RP. As for numbers they balance them since servers are merged.
Merging servers doesn't balance anything since more Horde are in war mode than are Alliance across all servers.
Edit: this is apropos of the discussion about getting ganked while leveling, and not about battlegrounds. Alliance who level on Normal servers get ganked a lot more than Alliance who level on RP servers.
Even if they remove Merc mode, you're still going to be left with more horde than alliance... The problem still persists.10/26/2018 02:47 PMPosted by Sonbtrpn...
bs...................blizz can end all mercing and let the chips fall where they may.
a good first step
Not for long, as people who care about queue times switch for the shorter queues.
Having the option for horde to temporarily switch to alliance side gives them more players in the alliance BG pool, while also lowering the amount of players in the horde pool, so their queues are shorter. It helps both sides
Your logic depends on contradictory assumptions. You can't rationally claim both that larger pools are better, and that smaller pools are better.
Mercs hurt Alliance by permitting Horde to go to the side more likely to win in a particular time zone, without letting Alliance do so. Since having a smaller pool cuts queue times, as you say, having a larger Alliance pool hurts Alliance too.