What are the chances this is all leading up to some big reveal that the Horde is being poisoned by Azerite and that’s making us act extra-evil this expac?
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Honestly, this new thing with the Pandaren healer feels even worse to me than Brennadam did. At least with Brennadam, we know it was a spur of the moment decision for gameplay reasons.
With this, they have had all the time in the world to correct course and not keep adding stuff like this, but keep doing it.
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I beg to differ. I’m up to my ears with motivation, in fact I’m drowning in it. The stunt the Alliance pulled in Stormheim and Sithilus is enough motivation on its own.
They tried to kill Sylvanas despite Anduin told Genn not to do this. In Silithus they attack the Hordes miners for azerite which the Horde had every right to harvest and it was none of the Alliances business. Then finally a fleet from Teldrassil was sent to attack the place, and then Sylvanas the queen of not &$^#ing around responds with,“That’s it I’m burning your tree, now get the &#%$ off my continent before I kill you all!” At what point after a failed assassination attempt, several unprovoked attacks and resulting in a retaliation becomes a surprise to anyone?
Since the Frozen Throne Sylvanas has always been ruthless and cold-hearted and for those of you that felt surprised about Sylvanas burning down Teldrassil I have one question for you: Where the hell have you been for the past 15 years? This is what Sylvanas does, she is going to go for the throat and twist the knife for good measure.
Ever since the burning of Teldrassil I’ve had to put up with half the Horde player base whining about how were the bad guys or what were doing is evil. But there is one question I often ask myself. Do I care? Do I care if were the bad guys? Do I care what the Horde has done is evil? And the answer is NO.
I don’t care that the Horde are the bad guys because the target is the Alliance. I have ZERO sympathy for the Alliance and I can’t bring myself to feel bad for Teldrassil because it was a long time coming because the Alliance has never been able to rain in their *#$% for 5 sec.
I can’t even stomach to play the Alliance these days for very long because the ever looming presence of fanatical lunatics like Turalyon or the Kul Tirans praising Daelin like he is some hero. The Alliance is a cult one that has a higher body count the Horde will ever have and it needs to die.
So yeah I can proudly say I have motivation and enough of it to pass around.
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It’s always nice when the crazy ones jump up and down so you can spot them easily.
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The first can make sense, because it’s the burden of the leader to justify the war and the burden of the leader to ensure that there is no action taken that makes the participants wanting to defect and/or disobey orders, lose faith in their leadership or cross a bridge they cannot cross again.
The very problem that the burning of Teldrassil neglects but doesn’t have to repeated twice by cutting down people in the street in Zandalar.
The second is patently false, because there are multiple instances in the Alliance storyline where they do use weaponry of the sort. Between Mekkatorque and his power-up beam, to Jaina literally teleporting bombs back onto a Horde ship, to making tanks that use munitions made from it, like at the Norwington Estate.
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Movies are over in two to three hours at most. I wish that BFA was a movie.
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I agree with the OP completely here. The war should have started as a resource war inflamed by the extreme strain of the war with the legion. It should have started with the horde invading ashenvale seizing all the land until they are at the world tree and then something old god related happening to the world tree not us out right burning it to the ground for no damned reason. Then we should have seen the battle for the undercity play out almost exactly as it did with a few exceptions. The first being the alliance wear gas masks and Jaina doesn’t fly in on the Flying Dutchman to save the day the alliance PC doesn’t need rescuing and it makes their efforts feel trivial. When windrunner is corner in undercity she shouldn’t have given a super villain speech thst validates one side and invalidates the others reasoning for fighting. The alliance should have also purged brill of the undead and burned any undead caputured troops or something that gives the horde player a reason to fight this war. We as the horde players also deserve to see something other Than the undead saving the day in the most edge lord ways possible.
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GAWD! Why is my mortal enemy so nosy? I just wanted to strip-mine some god blood and weaponize it against them, and then they go violently sabotaging my efforts! It’s like they see it as some sort of act of aggression or something.
There’s something that just tickles me about someone with a completely straight face saying the Alliance needs to die because it’s full of fanatical lunatics after just saying that thousands of civilians including children burning alive was a long time coming because they committed the cardinal sin of being Alliance. It’s just one of those things that makes me giggle uncontrollably and brightens my day.
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If I had a penny for every time a horde player pulled the irrelevant race card on Daelin or Garithos I could retire.
I think that post is question is supposed to be unironic bait
First off I completely agree, I’ve only played for the story for several years now, and I’m less interested than ever before specifically because the way the story has developed in BfA.
Yes I think they are very aware, but no I don’t think they’ll address them. I think they will continue on what ever pre determined path they are on, reassuring us to “just wait” and everything will be fine eventually. I think Blizzard has finally slipped into the “we know what’s best for this community” mind set. So while I do think they are listening, it’s just because they are expected to, they won’t do anything with the information (regarding the story)
Not for me, I was most invested in Saurfang, and they turned him into a weak coward who turned his back on the entire Horde, not just the Sylvanas loyalist. Then they wrote his path back to the Horde to require generosity from the Alliance King. Bliz has focused so much on Honor, they forgot about Strength.
I mean, if you think seeking an ethnic cleansing doesn’t speak to someone’s moral character at all, I suppose it is irrelevant.
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Blizzard literally admit the Saurfang chain wasn’t supposed to be an option for the playerbase and they only added that in due to the sheer support he got post-Teldrassil.
Blizzard thought Teldrassil was going to be a “FOR THE HORDE” moment.
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Daelin wanted to wipe out all Orcs for being Orcs, claiming they’ll never change. The race card is justified unless Daelin is constantly proven right, for which the narrative since Cata has been hammering home.
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Just to add on to the pandaren healer in Boralus: she’s not even Alliance. She was introduced in MoP during one of the repeatable neutral scenarios.
Blizzard just had players kill the equivalent of Doctors Without Borders, then had Liadrin of all people praise them for it. The faction war is garbage.
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Seeming as they seem bent on keeping the Alliance’s hands mostly clean I’m not sure if the Horde was ever fully intended to be motivated. The only players meant to play in this Horde war fantasy are the ones madly in love with Sylvanas, leaving the rest of us in an odd place. I would argue that it isn’t Horde motivation that is the issue but the lack of Horde player agency over their own fantasy.
To fix this I would start by insuring that the Horde have more world quests/quests to give the player agency over their morality. This is an RPG where the player historically got to choose what quests they associate their character with. It looks like they are trying to give this choice by saying you either go to Zandalar to be helpful or you go to Kul Tiras to be a dog of war. This would be fine if these choices played out as morally right or morally gray, but they don’t. Instead you end up with morally corrupt in Kul Tiras or morally neutral in Zandalar.
This issue really isn’t present on the Alliance side and while they might be corrupting Loa children or attacking civilians in Zandalar, they get to balance that moral grayness out with calming civilians and other morally upright deeds in Kul Tiras. Having these kinds of choices allows all the classes to have a place within the Alliance story, making it an enjoyable experience.
Note: Horde side ‘free our units from cages’ quests do not count as acts of kindness. That’s just me freeing someone so they can kill more on my behalf.
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Exactly what part of none of the Alliances business did you not understand? It sure as hell tickles my funny bone to see people mistake their own ignorance for intelligence.
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The Alliance had no idea what azerit was at the time and instead of going for deplomcy first they decide to attack to find out what it is.
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No. In the perspective of the Allaince they had no idea what the Horde wanted to do with azerite.
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Alliance attacking the Horde on the bases of paranoia isnt a good enough excuse. And all it did was give more of a justify reason for the attack on Teldrassil.
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The Alliance has given the Horde a laundry list reasons to fight them that spans 3 decades of WoWs timeline. From today like the Allaince attacking the vurlpera, to becoming a hitman for Vereesa to kill 3 random blood elves and gives you no reason why they need to die, to forcing the orcs inside internment camps to fight for money.
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Yes the Horde has killed civilians, but do you know who else has? The Allaince and as always I have to put up with Alliance posters pulling the “justify” card out their #&$ to excuse them for their morally wrong actions. And then were forced to listen to Anduin tell Sylvanas how the Horde has acted without honor blah blah blah.
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The Allaince has shown to have no shortage of people like Turyalon who fallow their religion to a zealous degree. Who would like nothing more to wipe out the undead. He wanted to kill a harmless forsaken priest in BftS. Turyalon want to do harm to someone simply because he was different. Kind of reminds me of a 16 year old girl who had to hide her sexuality just so she could avoid being violently harrassed at school like all the others did. Oh wait that 16 year old girl was me.
Look if you want to be giddy like a schoolgirl in your own ignorance thats your business, but do not try to drag me or anyone down with you.
Good bye and have a marry Christmas.
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And they just keep going.
Who got me a Christmas present early?
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It was spying that revealed the Azerite. Attacking the miners came second. Also assuming Magni is on the up and up, it was known for quite some time that this was a bad deal.
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One can assume that Azerite that Anduin touched influenced him, but let’s not kid ourselves: Sylvanas is Sylvanas and has quite a history of evil acts on her resume post scourge membership. And exactly how wrong were those assumptions about Sylvanas and Azerite?
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Sylvanas is warchief, even if her getting the job based on highly questionable circumstances isn’t known by the Alliance, her past history is enough to merit all the paranoia. And nothing the Alliance has done justifies Teldrassil. That was completely unjustifiable.
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The Vulpera thing is idiotic and seemingly comes from a failure to properly plan the Voldoun zone for the planned incursions cause there is nothing Horde or Zandalar based for the Alliance to invade there. Instead of adding a proper target into some open area, they just decided to have the fox people take the brunt (likely to justify them joining the horde later).
Also that entire Dalaran thing was quite disliked across the board. And that was the response for Theramore so neither Vereesa or Jaina were in a rational frame of mind, quite unlike things like Teldrassil, Southshore, Theramore, Vale, etc.
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The Alliance tally of questionable things is far shorter than the Horde’s, even if you discount the Horde for the first two RST games. This might be cause the average Alliance player might be less likely to tolerate it.
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You do realize that Priest is very much a rare exception to the general undead in the game. The one group that has a worse reputation than the Orcs (as a whole) is the undead (as a whole). And both of those reputations were earned and not just tossed out randomly.
And I wish people didn’t have to deal with stuff like the high school stuff. Unless you got to be in the 1% “in crowd” you got to deal with it in one fashion or another. I have a 17 year old cousin having to go home school due to bullying about her weight.
There is a reason that Buffy: TVS having high school as a metaphor for Hell resonated with so many people.
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Wait, you’re saying that first that chain never existed, then was altered for Sylvanas fans?