Agreed. They should have opted for neutralization from the get-go.
Does it? Weâve seen a Goblin bomb in Stonetalon to be pretty potent.
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I also said it was versatile. I donât know may other things in Azerite that can be used as fuel, ordinance, and empower you through contact alone.
I feel youâre purposefully misunderstanding my point after I already said that azeriteâs importance is still canon, just that blizz has failed to make it matter.
You have a good day.
Just wondering why you say that resource supremacy is something everyone should do at all times but still consider the Hordeâs motivation to have control over it in Kalimdor is lacking.
Arcane is a pretty simple one.
Fel is another.
Not as versatile.
Azerite has a much lower barrier of entry.
Doesnât seem like it.
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The idea that Darnassus was the only or best way to transport Azerite to Eastern Kingdoms is nonsensical to begin with. But even if we accept that for the moment, while the Night Elves were busy rebuilding, the Horde could divert their military to entrenching in Silithus and defending the mining operation there. The Alliance canât ship Azerite through Darnassus if they canât get any of it.
Of course, that wouldnât have worked either, because we now know that Azerite was going to start popping up all over the world anyway. But it would have been a sound alternate plan based on what they knew at the time.
I get that you think that, but the writers at Blizzard donât necessarily agree with you. The point being, no matter how you slice it, Sylvanasâs plan was dumb at some stage. Either her original plan, on which the entire decision to go to war hinged, was bad because she had no practical plans to hold the cityâor she had practical plans to hold it and therefore destroying it wasnât necessary. Not even to break the Night Elvesâ spirit, because as we are already seeing in the game, that isnât working.
Of course, this is all assuming we donât end up with a Big Reveal that she intended to destroy Teldrassil all along, and the reason she gave to Saurfang was fake.
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You donât need to spend years studying magic, make a pact with demons, or have a natural affinity for such things.
Azerite is also naturally occurring. So are arcane leylines, but in fewer areas. Azeriteâs popping up just about everywhere.
It was the best naval route.
What was an alternative to neutralization or armed occupation that would have disabled it as a port?
You just need someone with years of experience to design the weapons anyway. Azerite bomb, arcane bomb. Azerite tank, Fel raver. So on. Both require people to design whatâs going to utilize the energy.
Azerite doesnât seem anymore naturally occurring than Arcane or Fel.
Yes, those specific applications require some manufacturing know-how.
I donât know what youâre basing that off of. Can you tell me where Arcane and Fel are naturally occuring in ways that can be readily contained?
Youâre also discounting its enhancement properties.
Irenaus, you donât generally argue in bad faith like this. Itâs clear that itâs potent, versatile, and naturally occurring and youâre arguing that because traditional demolitions and other magical forces do separately what Azerite can do on its own that itâs no different.
And why do they even care about naval routes in a world with portals?
Iâm not here to convince you that thereâs a better alternative, especially since youâve already made it clear that you will not be convinced. Iâm just here to tell you that Blizzardâs writers have not constructed a story that leads the player to the conclusion that the complete eradication of Darnassus was the only option. They have muddied the waters by starting the campaign by saying Darnassus doesnât have to be destroyed, and they have not convincingly connected the dots on why its destruction suddenly becomes ânecessary.â
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Because there are more people in the world that can sail a ship than can open portals. That means that naval routes will always remain relevant until portal magic is so prevalent and easy that a sea dog can do it.
Or you just donât have one.
Then the point hasnât been made that the bar to entry is lower when experience is required for both energy sources to be utilized.
The fact it is readily collected and used in various fashions for many years.
Especially so? Ley lines, the Sunwell, Well of Eternity, Netherstorm, the Twisting Nether, probably The Broken Shore.
Because the enhancing properties havenât been shown as more potent in use.
Probably because Iâm not. I think youâre being a bit obtuse, but I didnât feel the need to say so. But you arenât obliged to respond if you think that the case.
Iâve not denied it has some potence, some versatility, and is naturally occurring.
Because your entire argument rests on Azerite being a better alternative. If Arcane and Fel share the same strengths, if it isnât much better than typical ordinance, it isnât much a leg up.
Because itâs not worth the ridiculous atrocities weâre going through, or the resources weâre spending FAILING to attain resource supremacy.
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Portals are faster and far more efficient than ships, though. And if Azerite is really that important, the Alliance can and should divert all their portal capabilities to shipping it.
Weâre talking about two different things. Youâre talking about military strategy as if it were a real-world situation, while Iâm talking about persuasive writing. My original statement was that the writers have not convinced me that the destruction of Teldrassil was necessary, and I stand by that. If they want me to go along with the war, the burden is on them to spell out why I should. Their attempts to do so have been a muddled mess.
You have not convinced me that the destruction was necessary either. I understand the resource argument, but I donât find it persuasive. The burden is on you to convince me, since youâre the one who made the original statement that it was 100% necessary and no other alternative would work.
Going to have to leave it at that.
This is a different argument. There are a lot of people who think that anything is worth the cost of victory. Honestly I donât want to go off into the weeds on that discussion.
It takes a very skilled mage to transport quantities as large as a ship can carry, though. Their talents are probably better serviced doing something only mages can do, instead of something a ship and crew can also do.
If youâre going to leave it up to something subjective, then thereâs nothing we can really argue about.
I found that neutralization was a convincing argument for why the Horde moved into Darkshore, even if I disagree with the hasty nature of its immolation. Iâd have preferred a different method of destruction, but I remain unconvinced that keeping it around would have done the Horde any good.
A ship may carry more, but a portal can do it faster. And if Azerite really is so important, then speed should be vital and there is nothing more important the mages could be doing than spending a day or two here and there making portals for its transport.
Good, then letâs leave it there.
Youâre either assuming that Mages are as numerous as you need them to be or that itâs as effortless as you need it be for them to open portals whenever something needs to be shipped.
I donât think thatâs the case, and if it were, Iâm sure thatâs what they wouldâve done.