The High Elf Love Thread 🥰

[Broflake-illidan]

The Sunreavers are certainly horde, but I am unsure where the SC sit currently given they obey the leader of Dalaran.

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

The Sunreavers are certainly horde, but I am unsure where the SC sit currently given they obey the leader of Dalaran

So do the Sunreavers; the whole point of their dichotomy is that they are both Horde/Alliance and Kirin Tor. Every time we have seen them act outside of Dalaran they have been willing to face each other and their opposing factions. Vereesa herself as late as of Legion served as the alliance representative on the Vindicaar, and we surely can’t forget the moment the Dalaran neutrality ended, the SC jumped at the opportunity to subdue the Sunreavers.

That’s the whole point, both SC and Sunreavers are Kirin Tor, but they are also Alliance and Horde respectively. That’s why they exist.

[Broflake-illidan]

I would disagree with you there. After the events of MoP, it became clear that the Sunreavers became a proper part of the blood elves and Horde. While they certainly act with the Kirin Tor, it is understood that the sunreavers are Horde in their affiliation and take part in military activities accordingly.

On the other hand, we don’t see this with the Silver Covenant who is absent throughout all of BFA until the two sides are working together.
Hence, why I do not care for what occurred in legion, because the declaration of neutrality by Khadgar occurs post legion.

[Leinadh-stormrage]

and take part in military activities accordingly.

The Sunreavers were shown in BFA actively helping the Horde? Like, killing Alliance?

we don’t see this with the Silver Covenant who is absent throughout all of BFA

The Dalaran portal keepers in the Stormwind portal room are Silver Covenant mages who actively kill Horde players on sight, unlike the Stormshield portal keepers, who are neutral Kirin Tor mages.

These portal keepers were added in BFA. It’s pretty clear from Blizzard that they are most certainly not supposed to be neutral.

[Fezzy-draenor (Fezzy)]

Dalaran during that time joins the Alliance. The Silver Covenant happily with it since they were alliance before hand.

The fact we don’t see the SC as the Alliance side representatives in Legion helps to point this out. They’re no longer representative of the Kirin Tor. Instead Genn’s worgen protects the Alliances interests within the city and the Banshee’s Forsaken guard does so for the Horde. both factions are no longer Kirin Tor. They are alliance and horde.

[Lorithyn-agamaggan (Lorithyn)]

The SC exist solely to be an equal and opposite foil to the Horde’s Sunreavers, it’s why Blizz created them. We don’t have any piece of Dalaran law to read so we don’t know to what extent they’re bound by Dalaran’s neutrality, but given that Blizz intends them to be the Alliance equivalent of Sunreavers it’s safe to assume they’re Alliance aligned

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

I mean considering that the Sunreavers are readmitted into the Kirin Tor in Legion, it leaves them on the same standing as before.

[Talendrion-wyrmrest-accord (Talendrion)]

Considering that outside neutral places the SC attacks the Horde on sight, just like any other alliance aligned group, it’s not even a question.

[Lorithyn-agamaggan (Lorithyn)]

The SC being neutral would explain their absence (assuming the NPCs that are hostile are locked in a moment of time), but the claim often comes across as an overreaching attempt to disqualify them as a viable allied race

I say it’s overreaching because the argument against High Elves isn’t one of lore, but of gameplay. The devs didn’t add them not because it was a silly idea that made no sense, it’s because they already created a Thalassian allied race for the Alliance to fulfill our request

Of course I’d prefer High Elves, or at least have Void Elves created from them, but at least the door isn’t shut on Half Elves

[Avarie-farstriders]

I am not willing to give up on the idea of high elves yet though. Especially since they took the idea of faction sanctity and tossed it in the trash by raising night elves who promptly turned and started attacking their own people on behalf of the banshee that murdered them and destroyed their home.

So now the horde has Sira, a “Dark warden” npc that was alliance, plus a night elf exclusive archetype and made it horde. It wouldn’t surprise me if they made them a horde AR as well.

[Lorithyn-agamaggan (Lorithyn)]

I’m not going to tell you to give up, just to be realistic. There are only a couple of scenarios in which High Elves will become their own allied race at this point, and I find them highly unlikely. The request has been very strong, but has not been met without vocal opposition

Blizz probably thinks we should take Void Elves as our victory and run with it. If we ever get closure in some form I wouldn’t expect it for at least a couple of years. All we can do is try to give ideas and influence what’s to come, which is why I don’t shut up about High Elves

I’d like to be wrong about most of that, though

[Zootopia-moon-guard]

All this says is that within the Sunreavers there are OG Elves that taught humans about magic. But people like Fire keep twisting it to mean that only the now Sunreavers taught magic to the humans, which is downright a misinterpretation.

well it definitely wasnt the SC(who are almost exclusively farstrider types so much so they are associated with the legion hunter campaign) who you fanfiction have been in dalaran this whole time depiste the fact there was NO SCHISM until after rommath returned. why would farstrider types of the SC be there already? the SC are clearly former farstriders of quel’thalas who now live in dalaran, if they were magister types you would have an argument. they were formed in wotlk, while aethas was already on the council of six and therefore the most senior representative of the high elves in the city. he is the one who pushed for reaching out to quel’thalas magisters to come back to the kirin using his position after all

Neither does it make any allusions to the idea that the Sunreavers themselves existed as a group, which would be odd, considering that Aethas Sunreaver -for whom they are named as a group- is a relatively young elf.

while the sunreavers as a named organization are likely new, the elves that make up its core considered themselves kirin tor and have been there this whole time. aethas himself is proof of that, the SC have not and you cant provide a single example to counter me

Also to note, jaina explicitly states how the Sunreavers are Horde advocates, and that making Dalaran alliance would mean expelling them, after the players says “Horde is Horde”

yes they were the voice for the horde in dalaran, just like the SC were for the alliance, but that voice does not extend outside of dalaran and they are expected to respect the neutrality of dalaran

While the camera pans to SC HE’s and Sunreavers, and people still have the audacity to say the SC is not alliance, and the Sunreavers aren’t Horde.

its funny you mention this quest because during the cutscene it flashes back in time when the high elf prince kael can be seen holding court in what would later be named sunreaver sanctuary. literally the only place with high elven architecture and it was rebuilt exactly as it was after dalaran was destroyed. isnt that neat how the sunreavers control the high elf district? while the SC had to create a safe space on the other side of the city

That’s the whole point, both SC and Sunreavers are Kirin Tor, but they are also Alliance and Horde respectively. That’s why they exist.

sunreavers were kirin tor right up until their expulsion by jaina. there is nothing to imply they have returned. we see aethas get accepted back as an individual and im sure other individuals came back but nothing to imply the sunreavers are back in dalaran as an organization. they are definitely active in the horde while the SC returned to dalaran and sat out the fourth war just like the kirin tor(what a coincidence)

the point i want to make though is, this is why dalaran cannot be used for an alliance high elf hub. its shared. always has been

oh, and we know im right because if i was wrong blizzard would have copied a horde race to the alliance instead of giving you void corrupted high elves

[Broflake-illidan]

The Sunreavers were shown in BFA actively helping the Horde? Like, killing Alliance?

Did you miss the part where Magister Hathorel attacked Jaina in the name of the sunreavers? Let alone read how the sunreavers are a part of the blood elves? I am also sure the sunreavers are a part of the magister group.

The Dalaran portal keepers in the Stormwind portal room are Silver Covenant mages who actively kill Horde players on sight, unlike the Stormshield portal keepers, who are neutral Kirin Tor mages.

Or maybe, just maybe, they’re hostile to horde because its Stormwind?.
Just an FYI, there a friendly portal keepers to Alliance in Ogrimmar, are we to suggest that the forsaken are friendly to the ALliance and are their allies?
Get this gameplay nonsense out of here please. Its a hard reach.

It’s pretty clear from Blizzard that they are most certainly not supposed to be neutral.

Even though they live in Dalaran, which was declared neutral by Khadgar.
Even though they make absolutely no effort to be present in any capacity during the war.

I mean considering that the Sunreavers are readmitted into the Kirin Tor in Legion, it leaves them on the same standing as before.

I believe the sunreavers are a part of the Magister group for the blood elves.
noooot 100% sure though.
IN either capacity they are a blood elf group, which is Horde aligned.
The Silver covenant doesn’t really belong to anyone but themselves and Dalaran, hence their position is different by comparison.

[Darklight-nemesis (Darklight)]

So now the horde has Sira, a “Dark warden” npc that was alliance, plus a night elf exclusive archetype and made it horde. It wouldn’t surprise me if they made them a horde AR as well.

Ion said that high elves blur the factions lines, but giving night elves and another alliance theme to the horde doesn’t? They already used the shen’dralar lore and now horde has wardens too.

[Sarallesta-shattered-hand]

But Avarie, you can’t be evil. We’re elves. We’re not Humans or Orcs.

[Broflake-illidan]

Did you two forget about void elves during your complaint?

[Avarie-farstriders]

Apparently it’s fine if the horde is getting alliance stuff, but alliance getting to play a race aligned with them isn’t okay if the horde got a playable group of them first.

[Zootopia-moon-guard]

Apparently it’s fine if the horde is getting alliance stuff, but alliance getting to play a race aligned with them isn’t okay if the horde got a playable group of them first

you dont have a race. you have individuals you like to put more into

[Avarie-farstriders]

I don’t know, I might be super evil. Depends on who you ask.

[Broflake-illidan]

Void elves avarie. Void elves.
Horde receoved nightborne.
Alliance received void elves.

Fair trade