Seriously, Bastion would have been so much more compelling if it was a more grey conflict where you could ask yourself who is right or who is wrong. I could see myself siding with the Forsworn myself because I find the need to forget entirely who you are to be a rather horrible fate myself, but the fact that they allied themselves with Evil McBaddie immediately makes the conflict morally one-sided, even if the Kyrian say they’ll “re-think” their ways or whatever.
I feel like Blizzard wasted an opportunity here, and they sure as hell wasted Devos.
I agree with that. It goes that Devos knows the story of the injustice done to the banished one that Sire Denathrius also talked about.
So there’s a story to the Jailor we still don’t have yet. Even then I still find it very hard to understand why so many of the Forsworn would go to the Maw anyways. There is a very clear divide between those that do and don’t know about the Maw. It’s still difficult to fully see working out.
Fully agree.
Bastion could have been the most interesting covenant if the Forsworn and Devos hadn’t been made lol evul Jailer pawns and we’d get the option to ally with them.
Blizzard just can’t do morally grey, but what else is new
Absolutely. By allying with the guy who wants to wipe away the universe and replace it with death, they lose any moral highground they had. It ruins the story they’re trying to tell with the Forsworn/Ascended conflict.
Also it contradicts Devos’s motivation in the Uther short, how the Maw magic was the whole reason she started rebelling in the first place, and they don’t try to reconcile that contradiction at all.
I myself don’t really consider Bastion’s policy of making people forget their past that bad considering their job.
After all how many Horde would want to trust their souls to be safely delivered by a human paladin who remembers Garrosh or Sylvanus wars against the alliance or a farmer who watched their family die in southshore etc, or Alliance who’d want to trust an orc who died in the internment camps etc.
forgetting seems awful but given their job I’d say it’s more important they not hold onto old grudges.
This is wow. If someone looks like the baddie and spouts generic baddie lines while ominous music is playing in the background, then yes, he will 100% be the baddie.
Two storylines of rebellion would had been just repitive. Honestly Kyrian should had been constructs(and would had fit since even the little owls are robots as well) and the souls sent in there could work as therapy groups to deal with their traumas before being sent to Maldraxxus or another afterlife
It’s remarkable because while the Kyrian method changes them by having them follow a path that has them shed their mortal identity… the Jailer’s method doesn’t neccesarily memory wipe them, but “breaks” them into being willing servants forever.
It all boils down to the question of who the Jailer really is. Devos apparently believed that the Jailer was dealt with treacherously, and has a better claim as the overseer of the dead than the administrators of the current system. But one of her stated causes is that the Kyrian serve an “impotent arbiter”… well, it’s true the Arbiter has proven to be less than omnipotent… but the Jailer has been “Loocked Uuup” in a realm that is falling apart, so he isn’t exactly a bastion of potency himself… up until recently the Jailer’s side was the losing side, but Devos sided with him anyway. So, she must have believed that at one point he could and would eventually make everything right.
Morally grey has never been Blizzard’s strong suit. They can do black or white and if it ever looks like it could be grey, it is very quickly villain batted or white washed down the road.
You are right that it isn’t common knowledge, however Uther and Lysonia were basically Devos’ left and right hands. So he had to know.
Honestly I would’ve been fine if following Devos’ death Lysonia is manipulated by Helya (by playing into her envy of her soulbind) into joining the Jailer and selling her own forsworm as payment. Which is something she actually does. Some of the Mawsworn Kyrian we see are forsworm that get turned against their will. You can even see the House of Constructs make an abomination out of Forsworn corpses. Lysonia ends up trying to sacrifice Uther for power on the orders of Helya. After we defeat Lysonia and rescue Uther, he leaves the forsworm cause and starts to take steps to redeem himself. Maybe even go into the maw to rescue a soul he condemned out of revenge disguised as “justice”.
we cant have interesting groups that are NOT allied to the big bad
Honestly I am about to have a breakdown because of certain story directions… I am starting to understand the night elf brigade to an extent.
Though I believe it is starting to come to my conclusion that Blizzard tried to pull a “jailer is Warcrafts answer to thanos” but he comes across as more of a Justice league steppenwolf “I AM MAN AND I MUST KILL THE AZEROTH”
Let’s be honest an afterlife that is usually peaceful when things are perfectly working isn’t preferable apparently, hence all the “jailer and Syl are right” types of people.
Those people are forgetting we’re seeing the Shadowlands at it’s absolute worse right now. Of course the afterlife is going to look terrible if the current events are the first thing a soul walks into.
I’m pretty sure you see Devos say she’s keeping the truth from Uther in the quest chain that deals with Lysonia’s memories. That’s why I said that it in the first place.
With any luck they won’t justify it/try to make it seem like anything Slyvanas did was reasonable to actual achieve said goal.
At best I am hoping a Sargeras style justification. Sure the goal might be noble(stop any nascent titans from going dark and ending the universe) but going Burning Crusade not being the right answer.
