that is literally what classic is you retail andy. classic is “cheesing bosses with consumes” did you not play classic/vanilla? the whole style of classic pve is the preparation before a fight starts not just the boss fight itself. like dude i really think you need to understand vanilla/classic wow pve before coming into these forums acting like you undertand everything because you have retail knowledge. there is a reason everyone is playing wow sod and not retail and a large part of it is because bosses like kelris are difficult and you are required to do prep work if you want to kill them.
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I don’t think it is a ‘starter raid’. It’s the only endgame content in SoD. The phases are endgame, not leveling.
If we’re treating these as ‘leveling raids’, instead of just ‘raids’, then SoD will have no endgame until 60, and I just don’t believe that’s how the game is currently functioning. There is a level 25 endgame meta. There will be level 40 and 50 endgame metas too. I don’t think these brackets should be given the kids gloves, just because they aren’t level 60.
Using asmon jargon in a discussion on wow forums while also somehow thinking that retail is dead when it still massively outperforms classic tells me all I need to know about you and it’s enough to realize it is a complete waste of time to speak to someone so intellectually challenged. Not to mention if you could read, which you obviously can’t, I was advocating for other bosses to be buffed to his level as well.
You are just taking so many Ls right now man.
i am not using asmon jargin lol. it is not asmongold who came up with any of these concepts of classic/vanilla wow. there is a reason why people were literally banned for botting world buff summoning and botting gathering professions because of how much gold could be made in selling buffs and preparation raid pve items. that reason being that a large part of pve in classic/vanilla wow is the preparation before the raid. do you even know what a diremaul north buff run is?
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and now are personally attacking me calling me stupid because you have no leg to stand on.
just admit that you only play retail and don’t understand classic or vanilla wow and please accept that within this area of wow pve that difficulty is largely based upon boss stat scaling and a part of raiding is preparation and people love that aspect of classic/vanilla wow or not everyone would be playing it instead of retail. that or just go back to retail man because it is trashcans that complained on the forums that caused vanilla/classic wow to turn into the retail ghost town that it currently is.
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you are wrong bro learn the fight
You’re kinda losing this one buddy…
how am i “losing this one buddy” at least back up your claims
yea “oof” because you clearly have nothing else to respond with because you don’t actually know what youre talking about.
All he said was it felt out of place for 1 random boss in the raid require consumes to kill. Don’t really need to make it anything more than that lol
Nah, that what it make the raids fun. Instead of just standing there going AFK as a tank and have a tank and spank boss that does nothing but stare at you. If you are that bad at the game then go play single player games. I don’t understand why people think that is good design.
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What evidence do you have that proves retail is out performing SoD
thats like literally classic wow pve buddy. ragnaros, patchwerk, c’thun etc all “overtuned” to provide difficulty.
All 3 of my guild groups are 7/7 and have plenty of casters. Maybe sparse on warriors, but who isn’t? Incredible that we’re at over 100 replies to this - the original poster still hasn’t said a single other thing. It’s time for curtain call on this thread.
the entire thread is just a bunch of retail andies complaining that they can’t kill kelris because they’re too entitled to get consumes/world buffs and are trying to force sod to be retail which will destroy it.
legit 90% of the forums are retail andies complaining because sod isnt spoon fed to them and they actually have to use their brains outside of avoiding the red circles on the ground like they do in retail.
i have one moron trying to call me asmon because he has absolutely 0 understanding of classic/vanilla pve boss design then responding with “oof” when hes got nothin else to say. its actually pretty wild.
This entire comment is summary of how out-of-touch classic players are with retail.
explain why. because when you don’t back broad claims with anything they sound very fictitious. please explain to me how buying a wow token then usuing it to buy one flask/elixir etc and a 10 stack of food buffs and listening to deadly boss mods as if it’s simon says while the game figures everything else out for you is not what retail is.
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also explain to me how i’m 99 parsing on hunter doing 200+ dps in only 2 items of raid loot/raid prebis/borderline pvp gear after 5 nerfs to my class on classic sod. if sod is so easy and braindead explain to me how i got those parses when there are other hunters parsing half of that with way higher gearscore. kinda curious.
because not even youtube has my build out yet. they’re all preaching marksman which is wrong. so yea explain. curious.
Lots of caster dps in my group of friends, Kelris got absolutely trucked today ( also was killed before the hotfix).
We have a shadowpriest, warlock (tank spec but swaps to dps runes for some fights), arcane mage as 3 of our dps. feral feral war hunter is our phys dps.
Our group is hardly what i would call meta or optimized Shadowpriest, arcane mage, and tank lock as 3 of our dps, and we deleted BFD in 47 minutes this morning.
We also dont have a healing priest, use paladin and mage healer.
The dungeon is fine, it isnt hard, people saying you need to bring optimal groups and leave the casters at home clearly just have no idea what they are doing.
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yea literally if all ranged dps are wide spread there is a very high chance not all of them actually have to move. like hunters use sniper training so i am only max parsing while i am not moving at all for at least 6 seconds to get the buff started.
all you have to do is just spread out ranged dps so that not everyone is moving when kelris places down the aoe. the murloc boss is harder imo. frogger difficult tho.