I an relate how gnomes lay down a can of whoop… on you spoiled Horde.
You are just wrong.
You are spouting the same thing you have accused me of, saying anyone who disagrees with you is jumping on my “bandwagon”.
People are disagreeing with you because your points have been deconstructed several times and you continue to pose the same solutions that don’t address the problem, blaming the people who are dealing with the issue as being the source of the problem.
When Horde had a problem with queue times that was a result of their social choices with regard to their faction, Blizzard provided a solution that specifically allowed them to play with Alliance such that they did not have to deal with the downside of their choice. This problem was specifically caused by player participation, and Blizzard provided the exact same solution we are asking for.
Your stance is essentially distilled to “I don’t care about your problem enough that I feel you are worthy of the same treatment we received”
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LIAR!!!
Merc Mode was created in WoD because ALLIANCE queue times were too long and ALLIANCE players were complaining, so Blizzard put it in to benefit ALLIANCE.
STOP. LYING.
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So then shouldn’t all the Hero movies be flops then and movies about Villains be the way to go?
Oh cool you posted. Well, let’s do this then.
Okay, how am I wrong?
We agree there is a problem.
We disagree on what the problem is.
You state it is a population issue.
I state it is a participation issue.
I mean, where have I claimed such and under what context?
The problem is lietrally participation, and the solution is to increase participation.
How do you increase participation?
Through recruitement.
Through social media.
You can try and push of the nonsense narrative of “your points have been deconstructed” multiple times but anyone who is capable of reading will know that is false. Your arguments consist of
“Its a population issue because I am basing it off a participation based queue!”.
Okay yeah, no, that doesn’t work.
The rest is literally just ad hominems on your part where you accuse me of holding my view based on the toon I play. Could the same not be accused of you? That you hold your view because you are alliance and therefore, have explicit bias for your view?
What?
Mercenary mode was introduced because everyone was rolling alliance, not Horde. Why? Simply because the racials for PvP were horribly in favor of the alliance. The idea that Blizzard put it in as a way of favoring the Horde is horrifically skewed when we have an actual timeline and reason as to why the mode was put in.
I like how you literally just stated my stance that I have held this entire topic, and still argue that I am wrong on my stance. What kind of backwards logic is that?
You: You’re wrong!
Me: Uh…we have the same view.
My stance is “we should not implement solutions that will just swing the bat the other way.”.
All your proposals are basically “make it so the alliance is in the position it had in WoD!”
Which is a bad idea,
Let alone you are framing the entire reason for Merc mode under a false narrative. It is ludicrous
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You are watching the movie, you are not participating in the movie. Big difference.
People do enjoy anti-heroes and villain movies tohugh
There is an imbalance in population, but this is why it’s clear you are trolling this thread.
The OP and the several replies I’ve made to you confirm we are talking about an issue with players participating in end game content.
The issue is not that you misunderstand the cause, the issue is that you continue to suggest things that have no chance of fixing the issue.
Players are not going to transfer back from Horde to Alliance from some weird RP sense of “duty”, and no buff you can give to Alliance that would be remotely fair would motivate people to transfer out of the disproportionately populated and active competitive community.
You either don’t understand the problem, or you are a troll.
I lean to the latter.
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Population, participation, who really cares about how people want to call it ? Problem is still there. Now we know what cause that situation, that’s not even a debate anymore. If you want to be competitive in WoW the Horde is the place to go because all the top raiding and pvp guilds and their followers are on the Horde side.
The problem is how Blizzard will solve the problem they cause and it’s a big one unless you agree that the factions in this game should be removed.
He’s only here to troll the thread, and make it clear he doesn’t care about the problem.
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You’re a proven liar that just makes stuff up. Nobody should pay attention to a word you say.
And yet they do, check the likes.
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Just shows that the Alliance is the faction of lies, for liars, I guess.
yeah no same.
Also the likes are split pretty much down the middle for faction.
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Which is it? Is it a population issue or is it a participation issue? You can’t claim both because the former is false per Blizzard. Population = how many people play
Participation = how many people of that faction do X content.
I mean, that is your opinion, but we know that the power of social media and recruitment are powerful tools. it is not my fault that you believe a drastic change needs to be done that swings the pendulum the other way.
I don’t see you going oh my god, the Horde needs help! during WoD or other previous expansions where they had the lesser population.
“If you don’t agree with me, you don’t understand anything and you’re a troll.”
Or maybe, you’re just wrong about how to resolve the issue? No…that can’t be it.
I’d post the Principal Skinners meme but dont have trust level 3.
Woaaaah that is because those are two different things. You don’t call a sun rise, a sun set, just because they look the same at 7 am and 7 pm now do you?
If the issue is population, you’re trying to figure out how to make people switch sides.
If the issue is participation, you’re trying how to get people to be more active. Think of it as the…voting problem during Presidential elections. If only 20% of the people participate, you’re not getting an accurate view of who wants what.
Blizzard can’t. This is a social problem created by the customers. You really don’t want devs sticking their hands in.
Your solutions are bad. Not going to apologize for hurting your feelings.
Allowing cross faction gameplay doesn’t swing the pendulum in any direction, it removes it as a motivation for people to choose their faction.
It stops the pendulum from swinging at all.
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I thought the Captain America game was great fun. The thing is, Blizzard have written the Horde to be the real “Good guy” faction. The one that has infighting, that has people who don’t agree. Everytime they have a leader that goes too far the other leaders stand up and “Shows people what it means to be Horde”. Alliance has no internal conflict, no soul searching, even though they should have an entire storyline exploring why everyone still follows Anduin when he’s so obsessed with looking like the good guy he’s prepared to throw his own Alliances’ factions to the wolves.
If I was the leader of the other factions in the Alliance I sure would be asking what happens to us if our city is burnt to the ground. Would Anduin just shrug and go, we’ll I don’t wanna look like the bad guy. I’ll send them an angry worded letter.
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Maybe people don’t want to play Alliance because it’s the faction of lies, for liars?
OP is just blatantly lying in this thread and when called out on it, he’s proud of it.
Who would want to play in a faction filled with people like that? Nothing Blizzard can do about that, either.
Which would not be beneficial to WoW as a whole. The main part of the IP is the fact there is a faction divide. You remove it, and WoW becomes like every other MMO out there.
Which one?
The problem is people on the alliance don’t like having mortal grey areas. When Purge of Dalaran occurred, people had a canniption over it. Jaina was suddenly crazy, Vereesa was nuts, etc etc.
When the Voldunai quests occurred, the alliance originally killed vulpera, now they only scare them with masks because of complaints.
The ALliance can get really interesting storylines, and they have the best way to do it, but a lot of people don’t want it since they feel it goes against the alliance spirit.
Ehhh, I will say this is the first expansion I’ve ever played Horde on, and I will say, I’ve gotten a lot more flak for playing Horde from alliance players than I did from horde players in my history as alliance. It is rather telling.
Probably because the people who have access to seeing the population with data have stated “Its relatively even” and that “the participation is an issue”.?
Anyone who knows anything about numbers knows that flipping populations won’t do a thing when participation is the issue.
Even if you swapped the pop numbers, those players who raid/pvp are a minority and are entrenched in where they sit. They aren’t moving anywhere without reason.
That is very true as well, but they do know how to read trends. I am not surprised if somehow it turns out the majority liked those storylines.
“I lied and I got caught, but no one should care that I lied.”
It completely undermines you view when you lie.
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Every metric that’s been posted in this thread confirms there is an imbalance of characters, and a larger imbalance of players. Why you believe they can’t both be true is beyond me.
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If you know anything by now, Blizzard doesn’t care what the players think. I mean Horde has been pissed about Sylvanas being a retread of the Garrosh storyline and they went ahead with it anyway. So clearly players wishes hold no interest to them.
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