The dungeon finder needs to be deleted from WOTLK classic

[Manuredps-benediction]

I hope so too

[Corruptionn-stormrage]

What meaningful loot is getting ninjas in 5 man dungeons you que for? Projecting a bit here to try and make a point.

[Lemonfont-faerlina]

@Elorael-remulos

LFD would be fine if it were server locked, and therefore Ignore lists would matter. The problem is not LFD, it’s the fact that people never see the same team members again.

The problem is, people want LFD because it’s crossrealm, they want less wait time and instant gratification than LFG bulletin board. A non-xrealm LFD would be basically a glorified teleporter.

LFD doesn’t need to be in the game and the majority of Wrath experience never had it, as it was added in the ICC patch.

[Ôwns-proudmoore (Ôwns)]

@Lemonfont-faerlina

The problem is, people want LFD because it’s crossrealm, they want less wait time and instant gratification than LFG bulletin board. A non-xrealm LFD would be basically a glorified teleporter.

LFD doesn’t need to be in the game and the majority of Wrath experience never had it, as it was added in the ICC patch.

Better idea -

You and all the others who dont like it create your own guild in Wrath and just dont use it.

[Heydownthere-arugal]

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

LFD was by far one of the most catastrophic features to ever have been implemented in World of Warcrafts history, and completely defeats the purpose of having classic servers in the first place.

I don’t think that LFD in any way is a catastrophic system. Not every server has a healthy playerbase and almost every server is stuggeling with dungeons, sure dungeons are being run but only a select few and if you want to go outside those select few you’re going to be waiting to ages to get a group.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

The core audience who fought for classic wanted them precisely to move away from the instant gratification, antisocial, and un-immersive features that have littered modern WoW. This applies to WOTLK as well.

What exactlty is anti-social about LFD? Is it that I don’t intereact with people to get into the group? I’m sorry but that’s not really a good case against LFD, you can still talk while running the dungeon and typing “inv plz” is hardly a social interaction.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

LFD did not exist for the vast majority of WOTLK’s lifespan, it wasn’t added until ICC and wasn’t a part of the original experience until the very tail end of the expansion.

Did you ever stop to question why it was added? I don’t know the actual answer as to why it was added but from my personal expirience I can say that it solves a lot of issues with dungeons.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

A core part of the classic experience (and that includes most of WOTLK’s history), is that you have to make connections and build relationships to get things done in the game effectively. LFD kills this aspect of the game and forces everyone to sit afk in a lobby.

No? if anything LFG does that, you can queue up for whatever dungeon/s you want and do whatever you want while you’re in queue. For LFG you’re pretty much forced to AFK otherwise you miss someone that’s advertising for the dungeon you want to run, or you’re “afk” spamming an ad to get people to join your group.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

LFD kills this aspect of the game and forces everyone to sit afk in a lobby. Auto teleport to the instance further decimates the open world and is blatantly non-immersive; it reduces the game from being a full blown virtual world to a lobby.

This is most likely because of the people that congregate in dungeon hubs kill anyone they see then camp their body til they log out or escape. Doesn’t happen that much now but in the first couple months this was the norm and still happened in the Coilfang Reservoir dungeon hub until BT and Hyjal released.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

Cross-realm auto grouping destroys any accountability of the players, and 99% of the time you are never going to see any of the people in your group again.

Okay, you are on Grobulus, Grobulus has 18k raiders/pvp’ers according to IF.pro. can you say with confidence that even if LFD was server specific you’d see a player again with a server of that size? What about Firemaw/Benediction both more than 30k players.

This really is a non-issue, people say that LFD is bad because you’ll never see the same person again and it drives down the server community but there’s so many players on some servers that even with server specific LFD you get the same result.

As for player accountability, I agree that there will be an increase of toxic players but that’s not enough of a reason to not have LFD. You’re bound to run into toxic players more often when you’re running dungeons more often. Just kick them or leave.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

This notion that the game should cater to solo players who don’t want to find a guild or make any friends in the game is a modern retail mentality that has no place in the classic game, and retail already exists for these players.

I don’t understand why you’re saying that LFD is the reason people don’t want to get into a guild, being in a guild doesn’t really matter as much as it did back then. There’s GDKP’s SR and MS > OS runs that makes being in a guild an option instead of mandatory.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

Furthermore, most of the time queueing as a dps really doesn’t take much longer to get a group than forming your own group.

Sure you can say that but one requires you to afk while the other you can do what you want while you wait.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

If you don’t have any friends to invite, then you have to whisper around on /who and eventually you get some takers. The only time you are really saving is traveling to the dungeon, but that only takes 5 minutes with epic flying mounts.

Yes, sending spam is the way of social interaction.
5 minutes doing nothing but flying is 5 minutes the group could have spent clearing the dungeon.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

Queueing in only a time saver for people on dead servers. Dead servers are of course a problem, but LFD only treats the ailment and not the underlying disease. The solution is to merge dying servers, not pull the plug on the core classic experience.

Server mergers would be good but conversly they should address the mega servers like Firemaw and Benediction. The fact that there isn’t a cap and that they can even get to that size is unbelievable to me. Even my server should have it’s population cut in half ~10k players is too many for 1 server let alone 30k. Split up the mega servers.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

Blizzard has zero to gain by catering to the loud kicking and screaming minority who want retail features in the classic game. 99% of them will either continue playing while simultaneously whining about the lack of LFD as they have been doing the past 3 years, or move back to retail. Literally no lost customers by catering to this audience.

The thing is though, LFD isn’t a retail feature, it’s a WotLK feature as such, we should get it in WotLK.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

On the other hand, if LFD is added into the game on launch, 99% of the core classic audience will quit. If these players are lost, classic wow is simply not profitable and the classic playerbase will die since they will have gone the route of catering to loud the minority who is playing retail or would play retail anyways if classic did not exist.

So doom and gloom with you, I highly doubt that a majority of the classic playerbase will quit if LFD is added in WotLK. Even people who are #nochanges wouldn’t quit because in WotLK, it isn’t a change.

Who’d get so angry at Blizzard for adding something that was meant added in the expansion they’re doing so much that they’d quit the game entirely?

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

If the plug is going to be pulled on classic after WOTLK ends, or WOTLK is going to move on to cataclysm, then at the very least LFD can be put off until ICC as it was originally.

If you don’t mind it being added during the last phase of WotLK then why couldn’t it be added in pre-patch/p1/p2 of WotLK? Because you want people to expirience the world in Northrend? If people wanted to do that then they’d go questing not spamming dungeons.

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

but LFD will result in the mass unsubscriptions of the entire core audience of classic.

I think you’re being exremely hyperbolic in that statement.

[Zappbranigan-arugal]

I really used to agree with the OP. But let’s not kid ourselves, look around. No one cares about any of that, it’s blatantly obvious in how people play the game. The open world IS dead. The leveling population that used to fill it just get summoned to mage boosters and then sit afk inside instance portals or afk outside instance portals waiting for the next available booster. I have levelled 4 characters to 70 and 3 more to 60+ and at this point I don’t even bother with dungeon groups because unless you are a tank, forming a group takes on average an hour or longer. At least this tech has the potential to counter mage boosting by adjusting the bonus exp reward at the end to make it faster to run dungeons with other players than sit afk in a dungeon while getting boosted.

Maybe if they treated the more pervaissive underlying problems they could remove it, but with loads of dying and faction lopsided realms this feature is probably the only saving grace for a lot of people to let them enjoy the game.

One compromise could be to restrict the feature to normal dungeons. But i still think unless servers are fixed it isn’t a good idea.

[Pizzawizard-whitemane]

LFD isn’t inherently bad - it’s difficult to find a dungeon now in classic on some servers either because there are no tanks or no one wants to run the lower dungeons because they are boosting or bought a boost to 58. So when you add the LFD you need to add something to keep the communities together. Some suggestions:

1. cross server guilds
2. Cross server dungeons
3. Allow people to choose their server at login time (no transfers/no stuck characters)
4. get modern with the tech / merge the LFD with discord channels somehow so LFD posts in guild discord and guild chat and discord chat can be linked (or maybe a blizzard discord like program)
5. limit xp for people being boosted by someone much higher level (done in SOM and it worked great)

[Blooddrunk-grobbulus]

Better solution that involves not ruining the game with LFD:

1. Merge dead servers
2. Kill mage and pally boosting SoM style
3. (Pipe dream) remove the paid boost

[Wafectus-deviate-delight]

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

if LFD is added into the game on launch, 99% of the core classic audience will quit.

My greatest wish.

[Ôwns-proudmoore (Ôwns)]

LFD doesnt ruin the game

[Drooler-grobbulus]

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

A core part of the classic experience (and that includes most of WOTLK’s history), is that you have to make connections and build relationships to get things done in the game effectively.

That died when they didn’t give a crap about server health. Now people have “mega servers” that might as well be cross realm with how massive they are. And we have layering.

They should keep LFD to server only, with suffering servers linked together. THEN they need to start really trying to mend the server health issues they ALLOWED to happen with their greed.

They put no restrictions to faction or population size and allowed people to empty servers for the sake of profit.

It was lazy and I bet they were hoping the dead servers would make people go back to retail.

Spoilers, we’re not.

[Härland-grobbulus]

i could get behind that 100%; server locked would be outstanding.

The only problem they face is they allowed super ultra mega servers to exist in turn destroying many servers that have basically no population.

Something ought to be done to save the “dead realms”

[Nyaria-argent-dawn (Nyariá)]

No, if anything it needs to be added as soon as it launches WoTLK.

Period.

Cross server, and Teleportin to the dungeon include.

I get you probably benefit massively from forcing people to funnel alts through your boosting services, which is why your so massively against people having reasonable access to doing dungeons.

But your ideas are awful, and exist only to make low level dungeon stagnation -even worse- probably so that you can profit off of it.

[Glinda-shadowstrike]

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

The core audience who fought for classic wanted them precisely to move away from the instant gratification, antisocial, and un-immersive features that

Blizzard’s IP lawyers are all pro-LFD.

[Glinda-shadowstrike]

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

LFD kills this aspect of the game and forces everyone to sit afk in a lobby.

Tell us you never played WotLK without telling us you never played WotLK.

[Griswald-trollbane]

You’re wrong.

The dungeon finder, and eventually cross realm raiding are both features that kept players playing the game for decades.

[Deathsbounty-area-52]

True and based.

[Blooddrunk-grobbulus]

I played WOTLK. It ruined leveling alts for me, so many people just sat afk in cities and there was less people to group up with while questing. The open world in classic already can be lonely with the rampant mage boosting, LFD would completely kill the open world. I despised the auto teleport, it blatantly broke immersion and also reduced the population of the open world, especially in old zones. There was no point in making friends while leveling, or with people outside your guild at max level, the social aspect of having to make connections to get things done was largely diminished. Almost none of the time people talk in auto grouped dungeons and there is no accountability when it’s crossrealm. Cataclysm was the nail in the coffin when blizzard had to nerf the heroics because LFD didn’t group people into good comps, or auto grouped in people who couldn’t even use a keyboard and faced no repercussions for making no effort to learn and being a d***

[Zaalg-mankrik]

Just another person living in a bubble who has no idea why the mass casuals played, and why the mass casuals quit. Don’t feel bad. The WoW devs are clueless too.

Isn’t it ironic as they added these two system you mentioned the playerbase plummeted?

[Deathsbounty-area-52]

My greatest wish too.

Would love if grobbulus players just quit. All they do is complain and cope, cope and complain. It’s so annoying…