The Customisation Justifications to Lore

You’re talking about different colors. I talk about shades of the same color. A white human has the same skin as a black person. One just has more melanin than the other. Skin tones are affected by the environment. Being black doesn’t make you another race.

Oh and white Dark Iron dwarves are available in-game. It’s just not the same white you’re talking about.

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i love the idea of skin color, or cultures of any types in the game. in the end, who cares! me personally i dont look at the lore for reasons, cause it is plain waste of time, beings that lore was destroyed years back. get over it. be adult, play the game you like to play. who cares!

Although I feel Void Elves has a lot of ‘lore’ that triggers my storyloving side, I actually agree with the changes you proposed. I mean the the Old Gods have a wide range diverse colours; given they’re involved with the matters of the Void - having those colours implemented to haircolour would be awesome. I feel the Void Elves are too focussed to the Koo-Koo / depressed side and not enough ‘Scary intelligent / Insane’ sides; like what Yogg Saron represents.

… They are different. I mean, that’s literally the point; to refute such would be clinically insane / or colour blind lol. I also proposed an idea of them simply not going through the same mutations as the fair-skinned of their kind due to behavioral patterns and locations; which ultimately happened to many humans in real life too.

Well to that my African-American, and Aboriginal friends would beg to differ very vehemently; as they were keen with the new customisation options because they felt they could feel more themselves in-game.

And as stated in lore terms; they were described as being fair-skinned people.

The suggestions I provided merely open more venues of reason to flip-off those notions of text and silence all the rift-raft players are trying to use to derail or cause animosity in the game. And again some of the suggestions also offer celebration or opportunities to dabble more embracing lore to diverse characters.

I care about the God damn lore. I care. I play the game because I enjoy the lore; I play for the storyline; the other features make it more enjoyable sure, but the story is the jewel of the game for me. Many others do too. I can clearly see the OP of this thread does; along with a few others who have either liked or commented. As a wise demon hunter said earlier in the thread in response to someone as ignorant as you:

It’s probably best to get this addressed in introduction than have all these arguments when launch happens with arguments left right and center about it all (Whether, why we don’t have more diverse main characters; or why & how the diverse characters came out of the blue - There’s going to be arguments on both sides).

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Blizzard are already dealing with enough issues with Blood Elves. People arguing over High Elves being the same as Blood Elves. People debating how eye colors are acquired. I think we just need to think of this as the same case for the High Elves, that at the end of the day, they’re all the same race with variation. Blizzard cannot take time to justify every little diverse change for a Blood Elf.

Alleria is a forefront elf character who consumed a void Naaru yet she isn’t a blueberry 24/7. Blizzard said High Elves are near extinction, now thousands of them are about to crop up out of nowhere in 9.0. At this point, adding in the idea that darker elves are just there doesn’t seem too big a deal.

Well they would be wrong cause they are humans, just like me, just like you. Biology 101.

I know. BElves are mostly white, I get it. But they are white because of where they live and that doesn’t mean that some individuals can’t travel and expose their skin to a different environment.

I know most people are currently arguing for/against elf stuff but my current head canon for the non-jungle troll skins that are being added is smaller tribes that have been displaced over the years and have seen the success of the darkspear (who were similarly displaced when they joined thrall’s horde). The addition of the zandalari becoming a horde member provided further encouragement to tribes that may have been on the fence.

also if a i really hope we get a forest troll skin (even if it’s not the bulky model) so i can finally be a revantusk!

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i’m not ignorant. have more respect in a debate. very easy to do since i’m 48 and you are still very younnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng. lore is cool, but lore has nothing to do with creating a character unless you are going to RP. non RP characters, they create a toon for the hey this looks cool. they dont sit and go "what is the lore of this creation? again thats for RP creations, non rp creations, who cares! again i play female and male characters, and i could care less the lore behind blizzards reasons, when they have had destroyed this years ago. you will be fine, you are not hurt, you are going to be ok to see black color blood elfs. i personally dont like pandas, but i got over it cause in the end, it is a game.

Blood Elves already had blue eyes? … They started off with them. They only named themselves ‘Blood Elves’ for political reasons. There’s no biological difference between them and High Elves. They’re the same. Those that simply chose to not embrace the name were exiled - Such as the Silver Covenant.

Now to answer upon your statement, and Aisemnia’s it’s quite simple so I’ll cut straight to the point rather bluntly which addresses the arguement: “High Elves are different enough from Blood Elves!”

I see this one a lot, but no. Sorry. They aren’t. The High Elves went through no mutation, no physical change, no evolution or otherwise genetic alteration after Quel’thalas was sacked by Arthas and the scourge. Kael’thas renamed the High Elven people Blood Elves in memory and honor of their fallen, and for no other reason. It’s been only 30 or less years since Kael’thas renamed his people Blood Elves. They are racially, genetically, identical. While people love to think of High Elves as “pure” or Blood Elves as “tainted”, which are both untrue, given the recent golden eyes of the Blood Elves, it doesn’t appear that tapping demons’ magic to sate the elves’ magical addiction did anything cosmetically permanent. Blood/High Elves that succumbed to their hunger became Wretched. Blood Elves that overindulged in fel became Felblood Elves.

This thread wasn’t to just ‘Justify’ alone, but add additional ideas to build upon these changes and use them to celebrate in the community and enjoy + accept the changes with people. People are going to eventually want to see it; and poke the bear with “Why don’t we have more diverse characters in the main character listing aside from Ebonhorn and Wrathion?” and I feel rolling out a few new characters off the bat with these changes would be an opportune way to do it.

You don’t know how old or young I am, so I wouldn’t go jumping accusations. Not to mention what you’re displaying is age-discrimination; so you’re clearly not very old enough to be wise (Egotistic however, is obvious).

Aside from that, when rolling through comments I saw yours was flagged by the community lol, so it may just be a game; but it still means something to the playerbase community and those who care about it.

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You should probably use a different term.

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well it didnt feel good being called out on age when you came at me calling me ignorant. so you can and no one else could? ok the age thing is correct.
the flag i guess was cause i said i could care less about what culture blizzard allows a player to create, race or skin color.
you players are jumping on this lore omg broke train, but as news flash, you arfe very late to the party on the lore broken.
playerbase community is those who are on the forums, the playerbase in general. the forums is a place to come to talk vent, and 99% of the time, get over it, and in shadowlands you are not going to be talking about this.
the playerbase in general, are talking about the shadowlands feature, the covenants, not the customize feature. thats the difference.

Questlines and dialog for that too would be really cool. :slight_smile:
(If anyone wants to build on this, feel free. :grin: )

PS: I’d ask if that Apolloraza and Bodkonian please cool it down; I don’t want my thread becoming a fight-club and changing the subjects from the original post. :slight_smile: Thankyou.

For the sake of the poster of the thread, I won’t turn this into an argument. I agree that most the playerbase in general are talking about the Shadowlands features; but will simply state that many still do care and have a right to discuss and propose ideas of lore. As for much of the rest / the fire in the air, we’ll simply agree to disagree.

Well may as well expand on the one I posited

Many blood elves followed Kael’thas in pilgrimage to Netherstorm where they were told that they could pluck mana from the air like a berry from a tree (actual quote from Thrallmar), and decided to make a life for themselves there. Even after the Prince’s demise and the Sunwell’s re-ignition they made a new home on the remains of Draenor. As the decades passed, just as exposure to the Sunwell’s energies gave them a ruddy hue far from their kaldorei roots exposure to the raw magics of the Twisting Nether gave them a darker hue. Hearing of Thrall’s exodus to and eventual return from his shattered homeworld these pilgrims travel back to Azeroth to aid the Horde that helped them found their paradise and the home they truly belong to.

Well I could see how it would easily be argued that the Zandalari bent them into shape towards their ranks after joining the Horde. The Amani trolls I don’t see so much because of their history with the Elves; but other Forest Trolls that may perhaps not be associated with them (But maybe their Loa) could.

Yeah I dont think it would be the amani. but the Revantusk have been members of the horde since vanilla. A forest troll skin would be making them playable essentially.

but yeah I don’t see any of the big tribes like amani or gurubashi. Just smaller ones or survivors of tribes that have been destroyed so the trolls that did survive are being assimilated into the horde

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I actually think this isn’t true. Sargeras was defeated and his right hand men killed. Velen is the last of the leaders of the Draenei/Eredar. I think if Fel tainted Man’ari wanted to rejoin their brothers and sisters Velen would let them. After all he even tried to stop us from killing his son in Legion during the battle in the Exodar. And by no means do I think all the Man’ari would want to rejoin, but definitely a few could’ve. We have control of Argus so really if they wanted to go home without being killed onsite they would need proper help.

I think this could also open up warlock to the draenei race as a customization. After countless millennia many brothers and sisters have seen the error in following Sargeras and wish to rejoin their brethren the Draenei. Bringing with them a vast knowledge of the Fel and other untold worlds that the Army of the Light and the Draenei could help liberate.

I usually just dismiss these kind of topics because they are usually very racist, but since you were so respectful let me ask a serious question: why not just retcon it? Retcon has been used to justify bigger and more meaningful things than just cosmetics, so why not just retcon the “fair skinned elf” thing? It’s not a big part of gameplay and it won’t break the blood elf race fantasy, so why not just retcon it?

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I thought about that, but I feel introducing a storyline would be more respectful and caring towards the matter. Like discussed too, we could use the story to bring in some great new characters with the diverse characteristics too. :grin:

It’s always cheerful to see how riled up (in an exciting way) with cosplay and having some strong characters with established lore (That hasn’t been recycled or retconned) people would be eager to embrace. :slight_smile:

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