The casuals and Preach are right, make covenants easy to change

Do people even want to play MMO"RPGs" anymore? Seems like any time Blizzard tries to have a choice have any kind of weight behind it people freak out.

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I’m a casual and I don’t want them to be easy to change, so…

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I’m also a causual, and I casually disagree.

i want them restricted i prefer that individual playstyle of being different to someone from another covenant

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Thing is you get people in here like Ralph that have no problem seeing casuals suffer if it means your top end players suffer also .

People like that would love to see 97% of the players suffer just so their 2% can see the remaining 1% highend players suffer.

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Looking at the way the forums are split…I doubt 97% of players would really be suffering.

Probably not but people like Ralph have no problem seeing others suffer just so he can see what he calls elitist suffer and to be honest anyone that thinks everyone should play a certain way has no room to call others elitist

To be honest most people that want swapping don’t want the covenants to be swapable. What we want is mainly for the class abilities to be removed from the covenants and made into talents which we can already swap around.

I think there are different groups of casuals. Rpg casuals and do everything casuals. These are just two examples. Rpg casuals want restrictions. Everyone else wants freedom or doesnt care. My thoughts.

I prefer the hard choice so it is meaningful.

That is not the frame of this story so you are comparing apples and oranges.

Joining a Covenant isn’t about abilities or cosmetics; it’s about being a part of a new, specific society with a unique position, duties, values, ect in the greater Shadowlands cosmology and the whole concept is built upon it being a singular choice, just like race and class, that will inform your character’s identity the entire time they are in the Shadowlands. The abilities and cosmetics are a couple of parts of that whole, but it is the whole that is the point.

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Raider IO says hold my :beer:

Yeah that’s cool for a week or two, but then I’m going to want to do some battlegrounds or something and play around with my skills, but I won’t be able to. Roughly 3/4 of class development for this expansion is just walled off

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What about people not in guilds or can’t make guild raids because of real life priorities and have to pug raids . Do you honestly thing being locked into certain class abilities because they made the wrong covenant choice won’t affect them.

Just separate the class abilities from the covenants.

Then why lock class abilities to covenants if covenants are not about abilities ?

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It was always been that when you join a Covenant, you will get two new abilities and, my understanding is, you will be able to play around with them involving soulbinds.

There never was an option for eight new abilities so nothing is being walled off.

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Excuse me what? I’m pretty casual and I want covenants to be locked. That Hazel youtuber seems pretty casual and they said they agree with Ions approach. So where people are getting this idea that casuals want it unlocked is beyond me. I think people are getting confused by people that are pretending to be casuals, or a few casuals that have an unpopular opinion from the main crowd.

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Your subscription allows you access to a functioning login button. Nothing more.

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This is true, but purchasing a product does give you the right to have what that product was promoted as. <Not that I agree with the dude you was quoting cause I don’t> It seems Blizzard forgets that though, I’m still waiting for that Aeriel combat and dance studio that was on my WoTLK box.

I would doubt it. I’ve never been asked about my traits when pug’ing mythic+. Normal and even some heroic pugs will either want an achievement linked or your io score, same as now.

well they did eventually give us the ah dance parties