And, you even said, “Cata” may mean something different to everybody, when it shouldn’t. It’s why I gave an OBJECTIVE reality of Cata Thousand Needles is NOT Vanilla Classic Era Thousand Needles.
It’s just not. NO “subjective” thought can change that…
You either want flooded Thousand Needles or not, and I don’t. That’s it.
He gets his giggles pretending to care about topics and posting bad faith nonsense. It’s a pattern for him.
“Cata” LITERALLY changed how the Old World operates. Even removed certain questlines like the Seal of Wrynn questline. You CANNOT do that Quest in Retail. I’m not asking for the removal of Quests.
Like Cata Old World is NOT the same OG Old World, it’s just not! There’s NOTHING “subjective” about that!
Yeah, gonna have to put them on ignore 'cause I HATE using “subjective” arguments to make a point.
EVERYTHING I’m saying is OBJECTIVE. There’s NOTHING “subjective” about it.
IDK how anyone can sit there and tell me, my suggestion is “like Cata”, when it’s not. And, then tell me “Cata” is “subjective”, when it’s not.
How do we know that Modern Blizz still has the assets and tools necessary to create these zones and make them not look like they were taken straight out of retail? They tried making the TBC Classic Collector’s Edition mount and the incubus pet in Classic this way, and in my eyes, they both look like they were taken straight from retail, even though they weren’t.
Also, I just don’t trust Modern Blizz enough to deliver a game experience close to what they originally brought to the table back in 2004.
Also…
Twilight Highlands
Gilneas
Old Quel’thalas
Quel’thalas
Classic+ as the players envision it is sadly unrealistic considering the resources Modern Blizz gave to the Classic team, and we really don’t even know if they can pull it off and still make it look like it came out alongside Vanilla all those years ago
Estalayia’s image of Classic beyond what you have now also doesn’t line up with Blizzard’s view either.
Thousand Needles is destined to be flooded. It happened in Retail, and it will happen if Classic advances past the current timeframe (Wrath).
Blizzard won’t deviate from the timeline established in Retail. There will be no “OSRS” type version of Classic.
There’s more:
OFC there’s going to something, somewhere that Blizz is going to “mess up”, that’s gonna tick somebody off. But, I don’t think they can’t “try”.
If we want to talk about being “Pro-Changes”, I advocate for Guild Banks. Don’t need to unlock all those extra zones, for that. And, no, this doesn’t make Classic Era “Classic+”, now 
This may make sense to you, and I suspect you may be reading what I’m typing in a very different tone than is in my head when I am typing it!
To clarify, I do not see any contraction with stating both that Classic+ seems to be, “all the changes I want without any that I don’t,” and that if we string together lists of things that people have claimed to want for whatever their definition of Classic+ is, it seems to lead to the Retail progression path that we have followed.
Please do note that I’m stating that I’ll keep your definition in mind for what you are stating as Classic+. I’m noting that there is no reference link, as you are claiming a commonly held definition. However, as per the Original Post in this thread, there does not seem to be consensus as to what Classic+ means. This is why it can be helpful to explain where you’re coming from.
Yes, and as I’ve already stated, I’d be happy to keep that in mind as your definition for our discussion.
This very thread is predicated on this not being the case.
If you have issue with what the OP has stated, maybe take it up elsewhere, but honestly you’re calling other people disingenuous while making these sorts of claims that anyone can see are clearly unjustified. Just look at any thread on Classic+ (this one for example) and you’ll see there are no two opinions that have the same definition!
And I already told you that I’m happy to refer to your definition when reading your opinions.
Cool.
You’re entitled to your own opinion.
Which is fine. And as I’ve stated, I wouldn’t even think of zones like Thousand Needles or the Barrens, because I didn’t really play through them during Cataclysm!
Anyway, you guys seem to be really triggered by my having an opinion on this topic. I’m not sure why, but maybe take a step back and realize that what I am saying is not attacking you or your opinions in any way.
I’m literally just stating my own subjective opinion. It is nothing personal about you or your opinions. It’s not meant to be, nor do I see how it could be seen as, offensive, or in any other way triggering.
Again with the attacks on me or my intentions rather than any sort of commentary on what I’m stating.
Anyway guys, I hope you lighten up a bit and have a great day. My opinion is different from yours, but that doesn’t mean that we are enemies or cannot get along.
Keep having fun with the version of the game you enjoy, and I’ll keep having fun with mine. And as long as you keep attacking people for sharing their opinions, I’ll be sure to not interact with you!
i want classic, with all the graphic advancements. will i get it? no.
I do see Snipy’s point about varying definitions. I feel the same way about “fresh”.
I used to have a simpler definition of “fresh” via Seasonal vs Non-Seasonal.
But, now “Non-Seasonal” wants to have so many other complications, to it, too.
But, if “Classic+” is in an “in between” of unlocking the ALREADY existing zones to “Pro-Changes”, guess I’ll have to be clearer, now about what I mean, when I say “Classic+”. And, other Forumers will have to keep in mind its varying definitions, too.
There does not need to be a class redesign. As per our previous discussions, there certainly difference of the idea of what classic+ should be, but an overhaul to classes is not one of them.
Additional content to what exists, Classic+. Keep classes at 60 and just add content. I think people overthink this stuff way too hard.
That’s fundamentally what WoW Classic+ should be. Add in a lot of the stuff that just didn’t make it.
Start there, then move forward. Retailification doesn’t need to happen.
Some minor ideas I don’t see brought up often.
New World bosses. Say 2-3 new world bosses that are lore friendly. You could touch up on Akumai for example and have them return to do their old god masters bidding but at full power.
Expanded crafting for any would be new or fleshed out content. New recipes should be a part of any new exploration within any Hyjal/Kara/etc landmass changes.
Also deleting Nax entirely.
All of those are still unnamed to this day, however:
“Stormwind Mountains” - the canonical mountains of which Stormwind was named after, dire wolves and harpies inhabit this area (taken from https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Stormwind_City)
Shown in this Beta Image of Southern Eastern Kingdoms:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/837132272612147203/1122982603465703576/07.jpg
This area isn’t actually there, Redridge’s “hook” tapers off into a peninsula in this map. This is the only area where I got nothing
The one just east of Kalimdor is Tel’abim, an island that exports a lot of bananas. The one that is separated into 4 islands (northwest of Tirisfal) is probably the Dragon Isles (yes the zone was planned to be released alongside the base game but scrapped early on into development). Lastly, the one south of the Maelstrom is the Undermine, as shown in this beta map drawn up to plan out the South Seas.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/837132272612147203/1122983687584239626/continent-islands.png
The island just north of the “And” in the label is shaped very similarly to the island on the world map, leading me to believe this is the Undermine, also known as Kezan (Kezan is mentioned in Vanilla, by the Zandalar Trolls who reward Warlocks with the necklace, “Taint of Kezan”)
Thanks.
Like I said, can just expand upon that, for starters, for “Classic+”.
And that’s why we’re posting, to change that
I’m (also) thinking that stationary boat, in Menethil Harbor, can act more “like a portal”, to these islands. Kind of how like that one boat does (in Boralus Harbor). The one where you can go on “missions” of sorts, I think? It’s been awhile. OFC, this is from an Alliance perspective.
I haven’t a clue, how Horde will access them.
EDIT: Another Alliance perspective, the BC boat from Darkshore to Azuremyst, can just be another boat, to said islands. Unfortunately, I don’t play Horde, so IDK what other boat like areas (or even Zepplins) they can access, to take them to said islands.
Your track record says otherwise. You live for the attention!
All they would need to do is just add another boat to the dock cycles. Although it should be a different boat in between the other to discern the difference, like the icebreakers to Northrend.