No one forces Rogues to take Secret Tech, if you’re playing high end 3s…especially thug then you probably don’t want Secret tech at all since you’ll just break your own CC and the Hunters traps.
It’s -10/10 because you didn’t understand the context on such a level that my only assumption is you’re trying to troll. Go and re read what I wrote. My complaint isn’t about the effectiveness of Secret Tech.
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No your complaint is about Fears etc not break instantly like a Blind or Hunter trap…when in WoWs history has this ever been a problem for players? Rogue already has a ridiculous toolkit (Duel, double vanish, Stealth healing, Kidney, cheap, Blind, Gouge)…the list can go on. No other class has this toolkit, you trying to compare Blind to Fear is laughable when Blind is one of like 12 different CCs a Rogue has.
You understand it’s a 35% increase of cloth armor, right? So if a cloth’s armor reduces physical damage by 10%, it will now be 13.5%. This is not some crazy dramatic change that you seem to think it is. Hunters might hurt higher armor targets more now. That will probably be the most noticeable change.
Mage, Lock, Boomy have better kits my guy. My point is that if a mage polies and then unleashes all their AOE they don’t have to worry. That wouldn’t be OK for rogue is my point.
Kidney, Blind, Cheap, Gouge, Sap (unreliable). Garrote silence for Assassination but that’s not what your complaining about.
BTW Poly/fear= spammable blind, and each of the classes I just mentioned have just as many if not more ccs that don’t share dr than rogue. Mage/Lock have the longest interrupts in the game, several schools of fire and forget cc, one spam cc. Druids have clone/beam (boomy) on top of bash/roots/votex etc. Almost all of this is instant and free. Kidney requires combo points, cheap requires dance/stealth and sap requires no combat.
Caster brains would literally melt if a target had to be out of combat to use one of their ccs.
Should probably learn about casters a little more. The meme that rogues have the best cc in the game b/c people are too dumb to deal with them is hilarious.
Glaive toss is Physical, soulrend does 91% of that damage over 6 seconds as chaos. So smaller glaive smaller dot. Blade dance and deathsweep are chaos only to primary target. Aoe part is physical, then we have talent that puts a dot.
So DH isn’t 100% magic and armor nerfs/buffs does change the damage a bit.
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Casted vs instant guaranteed hit. Like it’s not even a skill shot. You just macro arena 1,2, or 3 blind…don’t act like a Rogue needs to try to fake cast his blind lol.
And no Rogue has by far the most diverse and effective toolkit of any class in this game. That hasn’t changed in the past 10 years in WoW. The toolkit got even more bloated with the new talent systems.
…they do? Played in actual coordinated 3s matches Rogues CC is absolutely oppressive if rotated properly. A rogue by themselves can lockdown an entire team multiple times in a short 3s match.
Cross CC the enemy? let the Rogue handle it solo with a Kidney on kill target, Blind/Sap on healer into a Shadowy Duel to keep the healer locked out even further…dude you have no idea the toolkit Rogues have obviously lol.
My biggest gripe is the 100% more damage to fear as if warriors and locks needed more reliable lockdown.
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I used to do this with fear/spell lock/coil on my lock. Same difference. Blind has a 1m30s cd when you take all the talents, so if casters want instant fear/poly/clone they can have the same cd.
Oh wait, hate buffs, making those casts under a second. Oh wait, multiple cc schools so if you kick one school they can use another.
Starting to get the picture?
Thank you for highlighting my point about bad players being bad. One instant cc would stop all of that. That isn’t just at low level either, if you go watch the solo shuffle tourny you’ll see lots of multi glad players not peeling Kalvish while he tunnels someone for free.
There is a difference between something being broken and people playing a group of classes badly. What you’re demonstrating is the latter not the former.
Honestly this is the entirety of our argument and I find it hilarious. Your basing your concerns off yolo mongoloid solo shuffle games. I figured you were, I was just letting you dig your own grave.
If your rogue is having difficulty CCing in solo shuffle then maybe you should talk to your teammates about breaking CC?
These were all R1/AWC competitors my guy. I’m pretty sure the tourny was invite only.
My point there specifically was people of all rating types are idiots playing into rogue. That example with Kalvish isn’t the entirety of my argument at all, which you already knew. My points about mage/lock/boomy being trash generally with setup/cross cc/peeling you flubbed badly, this is just one more thing backing what I’m saying up.
Sorry your bad into rogue, that’s a you issue though. Not a rogue issue.