WoW has always had bots. I’ve played since Vanilla, I’ve never seen it as noticeable as it is in Wotlk Classic, specifically BG’s.
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No, Blizzard doesn’t seem to care about Classic. Had fun in Classic vanilla, but this botfest is unreal.
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its only noticeable because people are quitting there are currently 3 active threads about bots. 2 about dk bots specifically.
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This is true ^ Blizzard reads each and every post, it’s fun drama for them at work. You can tell because of how fast they restore post visibility when players mass flag it. The Blizzard employees are as invested in thread drama as we are, and want to see what people are saying.
$155+ USD! And people think there aren’t real damages? These loyalists are out of their minds, this is an expensive product (compared to other games) being blatantly falsely advertised. They can stay loyal to Blizzard’s illegal practices if they want, but the rest of us don’t have to.
Sure we could walk away and stop playing … but we already paid for the time.
Exactly, they lured so many players into WotlK Classic thinking PvP still means against other players, of course why would PvP not mean “REAL PLAYERS”? that’s what the word means. They call it PvP when it is in fact not real players, it’s against bots. It’s PvE or PvAI at best - can’t legally call it PvP which includes in its definition “between human players”.
Agree this is a bad argument. Mainly because WoW belongs to us more than it does to the people they hired in the last few years to make these bad decisions. This is OUR GAME this is just their JOB. And they won’t have a job if this game gets any worse.
I have unsubbed, so have others, but a better solution than unsubbing really is to KEEP your sub and FIGHT these idiots within Blizzard until they are fired.
That’s the thing, customer support passes people off to here when they can’t do anything and says that this is the way to talk to the dev team or something… and then people post here and get roasted by the regulars who know that Blizzard will do nothing. The thing is though that most people don’t even come to the forums so those people generally have no clue that their concerns will be ignored. Posting here doesn’t help anything so I wish support would stop sending people here but what can you do I guess?
Anyway yes, the botting is the worst I’ve seen it in Classic (I’m not saying all of WoW ever but Classic). There was a really bad period in Classic where bots were all over the leveling zones. That got cleaned up and there was even a blue post but I’d say it’s worse to have all these bots in the BGs as that destroys them. This should be a prio for addressing over the fluff they’ve been doing, in my opinion. Low-level BGs or doing BGs in Era seems to be the only way to have fun in them now, having Wrath BGs be unplayable over this is a big problem.
your takes are actually trash no they really are unacceptable when 6/10 in a bg are bots. Idk why you would say otherwise.Blizzard has someone reading these threads they just buffed rets and fixed AOTD and FIRE ELE. If anything changes are quickly gaining steam.
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Hey never post again and go take some mushrooms and fix your brain hehe xD thx
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There is a video from Zyback in 2015 “everyone is a bot” where he was the only real player in the bg. So yes it has been this bad before, this was back when honorbuddy was still a thing and those bots actually played similar to a real player lol. Then Blizzard completely destroyed honorbuddy.
The problem has always been other players, people who buy gold or use bots themselves for personal gain. As long as people make real money from using bots they will never go away. Sometimes it’s worse than other times, but it has definitely been this bad before.
before the big lawsuit against the german company that owned honorbuddy and glider basically as soon as it hit midnight from TBC-MoP it was just bots fighting bots.
The big difference is the companies operating now are harder for Blizzard to prosecute and that’s really the only way to put a dent into botting, OR they remove currency and all grinds because that’s what causes botting in the first place.
The AFK report feature was added in original wrath because you’d have AV matches where 30 people were just space bar jumping in the cave because the pvp gear was easier to get than doing dungeons or raids which required any amount of effort…but pvp gear required a rotating fan and a pencil.
Big shilling for Blizzard here because:
- You don’t/can’t know that for a fact. Those of us who played when Glider was around vs now can easily tell that the bots of today are MORE OBVIOUS and very easy to detect. Easier to detect than an AFK’er in fact, and they have an auto-kick feature for AFK’ers in BGs but not bots. They have a status for “AFK” but not for “Scripting”.
- The big thing is: Even if it was out of their control, they can’t knowingly call it “PvP” if it isn’t really against human players. That is PvBot, or PvAI, or PvScript, or PvE, but one thing it is not is PvP.
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Great a bot sympathizer…
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defending bots? wtf?
Some new type of trolling?
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Not from what all the academic research says at all but hey some youtuber told you that so you’re gonna run with it.
All popular games are in an arms race with botting, so is online shopping and many other online features. Botting, AI is changing faster than people can keep up with. The mobile game market is up to 40% bots vs real players and growing.
You ban 1 you get 5 more to replace it.
So if you want to offer some academic journals to prove your point then go ahead. But Blizzard is trying to go up against a multi million dollar industry that has become more de-centralized and in countries that are harder to bring suits against. Blizzard has won I think about 3 main cases
2017 - Bossland and that prevented Bossland from selling its wares in the US. This includes hacks like Honorbuddy, Demonbuddy, Stormbuddy, Hearthbuddy, and Watchover Tyrant.
It took them 6-7 years to actually find a way to detect it, it was rampant and the forums were filled with people like you from the armchair claiming it was *so easy why aren’t they doing this obvious thing then it took them another 2 years to win their case to block the company from selling its wares in the US.
Blizzard vs Ceiling Fan Software in December 2011 (this included Shadow Bot and Pocket Gnome.)
2008 - [Blizzard vs. MDY battle] which took down MMOGlider
So until Blizzard can teach warden how to accurately find the newer bots like Baneto or GMR, or DungeonCrawler and shut down the companies/people who run them bots will continue to be an issue as much as you want to stamp your feet ( all popular MMOs are full of bots)
What does online shopping have to do with advertising a video game feature as PvP when it is not between human players? What are you even talking about. If I bought a blender from an e-commerce website and a toaster arrives then sure. The product you are paying for is the focus: If the product feature as outlined in a marketing email is “Battlegrounds PvP” and it’s not really PvP then it’s false advertisement just like if you sold me a toaster and called it a blender.
AI is changing faster than people can keep up with
Oh please those bots are worse today than they were years ago with Glider, they are incredibly obvious now.
You ban 1 you get 5 more to replace it.
You don’t/can’t know that to be true. For all you know it’s 1 or 2 organizations running 75% of all the bots and they aren’t being banned. You’re just speculating without any possible way of knowing the truth. When your speculation aligns perfectly with Blizzard’s marketing I would question whether you truly think for yourself or not.
until Blizzard can teach warden
You’re compromised whether you realize it or not haha. I hope you’re on payroll and not doing this out of gullibility.
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so you have nothing of any importance to say
I hope you’re on payroll and not doing this out of gullibility. In general you over-estimate AI & the elusiveness of bots, and under-estimate Blizzard’s control of the entire bot situation.
Your logic is flawed to the point of stupidity. Don’t go too much farther it.
The forums are here for customers to connect with the company and connect with other customers. Botting can be deemed unacceptable, and we can still pay our subs and here’s the kicker you can’t comprehend… voice our concerns to have blizz ban bots.
Your logic went sideways when you limited outcomes to only sub or unsub.
And if blizzard doesn’t read the forums then why did they nerf gargoyle and buff ret.
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I am on a payroll for pointing out that fixing the multi million dollar industry of hacks and botting wouldn’t be as easy as hiring a dude to kick bots from a game? Ok bud
I mean you haven’t even tried to bring up moving from warden to something like a ring 0 (kernel driver) anti-cheat (which has its own problems such as massive security flaws). And even with that Valorant STILL has a big botting issue
Warden is a known problem for botters, so they know how to easily work around it which is why it’s hard for Blizzard to “solve” botting, or SquareEnix, or literally any other company.
If there was an easy way to detect bots that didn’t cause a high number of false positives companies would be doing it.
1 GM, at $15/hr during 1 BG weekend, would solve 90% of botting simply by taking the 3 seconds at the start of each BG to identify all the DK bots.
No automated program can beat a human.
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lol, I would love for all the armchair anti cheat experts to be given the reigns one day just to see their reaction a month in.