Wow, how will that be explained in the lore? We're in the middle of a war with each other.
Actually, Horde and Alliance fighting the big bad together helps the Lore instead of breaking it. Not that I am against or with it, though.
10/31/2018 12:23 PMPosted by
Ollin The proper solution to the raiding imbalance is one that fixes the faction imbalance.
The only thing that would fix it IS cross faction raiding.
All that will do is cement the horde population advantage. Alliance will never be faction-viable again since they won't ever have to change anything to balance raiding.
"Why balance racial abilities? They can just roll horde if it's that important to them, and they can just roll alliance if
roleplaying is more important than winning."
Being part of an alliance-only raid will become a stunt.
10/31/2018 02:34 PMPosted by
Ollin All that will do is cement the horde population advantage. Alliance will never be faction-viable again since they won't ever have to change anything to balance raiding.
No, it wouldn't. It would let people play on either faction without having to worry about the pool of available raiders to play with.
10/31/2018 02:34 PMPosted by
Ollin "Why balance racial abilities? They can just roll horde if it's that important to them, and they can just roll alliance if roleplaying is more important than winning."
The racials right now are fairly balanced outside of Arcane Torrent.
Balancing racials perfectly will NOT balance the factions.
The time to balance racials was back in Cata/MoP. It's too late now, the damage is already done.
From where are guys getting this information?
I only heard of it by players, trying to fix the Alliance raiding scenario without nerfing Horde racials.
I would love cross faction raiding. It's pretty much necessary going forward, too. As the playerbase dwindles, we'll need every raider we can get.
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Wow, how will that be explained in the lore? We're in the middle of a war with each other.
"And so the heroes of the Horde and the Alliance, tired of the petty squabbles of kings and warchiefs, joined together into one force to save Azeroth from the forces of evil."
EZ
You jest but that's how this expansion is going to end, Thrall is going to make it happen.
The racials right now are fairly balanced outside of Arcane Torrent.
Balancing racials perfectly will NOT balance the factions.
The time to balance racials was back in Cata/MoP. It's too late now, the damage is already done.
No they're not. They are anything but balanced.
I explain why here:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769578475?page=15#post-287Though, you are correct. It's too late for simple racial ability balancing to fix the problem. They need some kind of active population balancing incentive system, and it's something I have no idea how to build. I've got ideas, but they're all bad and backed up with nothing.
They need to hire an expert in tribal dynamics or economics or something to give them insight into the problem because it's a people/economics problem now.
On the bright side, Blizzard has the resources to actually do that where I do not.
10/31/2018 02:52 PMPosted by
Misren ...
"And so the heroes of the Horde and the Alliance, tired of the petty squabbles of kings and warchiefs, joined together into one force to save Azeroth from the forces of evil."
EZ
You jest but that's how this expansion is going to end, Thrall is going to make it happen.
And that is how all story in WoW dies.
No more story after that. Just a never ending series of new dungeons and raids with zero context since it won't matter anymore.
I would love cross faction raiding. It's pretty much necessary going forward, too. As the playerbase dwindles, we'll need every raider we can get.
People like you are why the playerbase is dying in the first place.
Ian is a player like you.
Hey, if they are going to force us to quest under Alliance characters, might as well open up the players to cross-faction raiding and dungeoneering. PvP can be ran by Goblin mercenary groups.
I love watching the forums burn as much as anyone else, but is there an actual source for this or is the OP just talking out of his/her paranoid faction pride hole?
10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by
Shado I love watching the forums burn as much as anyone else, but is there an actual source for this or is the OP just talking out of his/her paranoid faction pride hole?
It's a suggestion I keep seeing that I completely disagree with.
10/31/2018 04:13 PMPosted by
Ollin 10/31/2018 03:34 PMPosted by
Shado I love watching the forums burn as much as anyone else, but is there an actual source for this or is the OP just talking out of his/her paranoid faction pride hole?
It's a suggestion I keep seeing that I completely disagree with.
If Blizz can't or won't balance the factions I think getting rid of the faction barriers is the only option.
Keep in mind that the only thing that will fix the faction balance at this point would be something drastic like increased chance of loot drop or REALLY good racials for Alliance relative to Horde until things balance out.
10/31/2018 12:37 PMPosted by
Zoey Do you alliance ever stop crying?
Don't open the thread if you don't want to read it.
10/31/2018 04:43 PMPosted by
Farora 10/31/2018 04:13 PMPosted by
Ollin ...
It's a suggestion I keep seeing that I completely disagree with.
If Blizz can't or won't balance the factions I think getting rid of the faction barriers is the only option.
Keep in mind that the only thing that will fix the faction balance at this point would be something drastic like increased chance of loot drop or REALLY good racials for Alliance relative to Horde until things balance out.
I think there are other viable solutions.
If the real problem is a barrier to recruitment, then open up the recruitment to be cross faction and incentivize movement from high-population to low-population.
I honestly don't care where people get their raiders as long as the Alliance and Horde are about even
during raids (and not raiding together. Faction conflict is the original fantasy I was sold on).
Just make faction transfers free in one direction, and introduce a method of allowing guild applicants to temporarily transfer toons from faction to faction and realm to realm for free while they app then charge them later (or not if they're going from high pop to low pop).
I'd honestly be cautiously interested in a neutral faction made up of people who got fed up with all the pissing matches when the world itself is once again at stake. Lock them out of the war campaigns but center it on some of the middlemen like the Cenarions, Argents, and dragonflights.
But for that to happen we'd need FAR more robust endgame content than we have. There's not even enough here for one faction, much less three.
10/31/2018 02:55 PMPosted by
Ollin I would love cross faction raiding. It's pretty much necessary going forward, too. As the playerbase dwindles, we'll need every raider we can get.
People like you are why the playerbase is dying in the first place.
Ian is a player like you.
And yet you said
10/31/2018 04:11 PMPosted by
Ollin The action required to balance the factions now is nothing less than the active punishment of everyone playing horde
You are not an honest actor:
You have dispensed with rational discourse to just lashing out with pure anger, You claim to have evidence yet present none, then complain that no one on the Horde faction will touch your so-called 'evidence' when you have made clear statements of your own pure irrational biased anger
No one can or should take what you say seriously but should be warned that as opposed to your false claims that if there is anyone damaging to this game is people such as yourself who eschew conversation, rely on false narratives.
There is a reason why Alliance is Struggling in this game and really there is no better example than yourself, rage, anger and irrationality all mixed together.
10/31/2018 12:36 PMPosted by
Hamstar 10/31/2018 12:33 PMPosted by
Byniri ...
The faction war story in BfA is essentially a Forsaken Fan Fiction at this point.
Nobody likes Nathanos.
Sadly, the blue's seem to for some reason.
10/31/2018 12:26 PMPosted by
Misren Ion feels differently sorry.
10/31/2018 12:53 PMPosted by
Phelios What? They are doing cross faction raiding? Seriously?
Yes Mythic cross raiding is coming soon.
10/31/2018 01:13 PMPosted by
Jerrod Where is anyone seeing this, I don't see a mention on wowhead or mmochamp.
10/31/2018 01:33 PMPosted by
Alurna Doesn't seem to be a source supporting this anywhere. It'd have been fine in Legion, but in an expansion about Faction Conflict? No.
Seriously what the hell is going on with half the community basically saying its confirmed coming and the other half saying there's no proof of it anywhere? What, do people consider randoms spreading rumours to be officially confirmed reports now?
Well I got some news for you, you bunch of gullible crybabies screaming the sky is falling, if you actually believe cross-faction raiding is coming with absolutely no official confirmation or even hints of it being a thing, then.... I have some huge news about the future of wow, there's some incredible things coming that will fix everything and you guys are gonna love it but it's gonna cost you 5 million gold for me to spill the beans, daddy needs a new brutosaurus mount!
When I read this first thing came to mind. low population. SWTOR did this when numbers hit a very low point. I wonder if that could be it. Not saying it is. Let just leave it at that.