The Alliance aren't "good" anymore and I love it. (Shadows Rising Spoilers)

Apparently Genn is still “RAAA IM ANGRY” which is a bit of a let down.

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The Alliance were never “good”.

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We don’t know jack about Yrel other than the fact that she was the leader of the Draeni, knew that Orcs in two separate timelines tried to wipe her people out and went on to convert them. The intro scenario for Mag’har is completely from the point of view of a group that tried multiworld domination in BOTH realities we know of. So yeah, lets hold off believing the very folks who then followed Sylvanas right up to the end.

fair enough.

Still I actually liked that Yrel. We need her around. For wow version 10.0 grrr I hate you opener we need people like her to break things up. Time for the horde to get a break. And alliance goes crazy a bit.

Only fair. And…its getting old its always horde. Tyrande could be the one but…the tin foil is making its own hat this is her last run. The night elves already have an emo NE with a massive chip on their shoulder. Illidan has that job and seniority lol.

When were we “good?” Look at Varian. Thrall had more integrity and leadership than Varian ever did.

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I agree. I think we need that Yrel around and I think that it is past time for the alliance to stop being portrayed as blindly following some naive chump just out of childhood. I am actually sick of the faction fighting altogether. We get a new, external threat constantly and our leaders, with a couple exceptions agree often. It is time to focus warcraft on fighting the war part against the constant external threat and maybe even merge the dang factions so the player base can stem some of the loss it is suffering.

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I’d personally prefer if we just kept Yrel and everything WoD related in the realm of fanfictions.

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Oh I hear you. I want to work for Khadgar or Magni at this point. Full time…not this partial side quest once in a while stuff.

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In other news, one assistant manager at McDonalds deliberately short changed me. Therefore the entire company and everyone who has ever worked there is morally grey and worthy of flogging.

This is really, really reaching.

:cookie:

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Fighting a constant war against the most evil beings in the universe for literal centuries probably does some things to your moral compass.

At this point, with all the atrocities the Horde has racked up over their illustrious career, the Alliance leaders need to basically waltz into a flaming orphanage while juggling dead puppies (that are also on fire) before they even begin to show up on the “badguy scoreboard”.

What is stated in the OP is a start, but we got a long road ahead of us if we are ever going to hope to catch up to the discount legion of doom that is the modern day Horde.

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Oh wondrous Loa of Cookies, your wisdom tastes like oatmeal raisin and your wit is as crunchy as a triple chocolate wafer.

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this but unironically

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And when that moral compass doesn’t always point true north BUT it gets results…yeah…sometimes you don’t need that compass so accurate is an idea one starts to form up.

Well that and while the writers seem to have forgotten and some players…Alleria hasn’t been a proper deck of 52 cards for a while. She hasn’t been mentored by Master Yoda to put it nicely. Her mentor is not the kind of guy you call up to watch your kids so you and the other half can have parents night out lol. And she absorbed a void corrupted naaru.

I mean the blood elves took in a normal Naaru. And their paladins have had their moments. Wonder what new tricks Alleria picked up…

8.3 could have shown this. But yeah…they opted to bring in black dragons. Who needs people who Iive the void. WTH would they know?

That’s it? That is the Alliance being “evil”? Seriously…

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What is akin to torture with the void and the light is pretty bad, especially when people have painted the alliance, especially Anduin, as “goody two shoes”.

I don’t really understand where people get the impression that Turalyon is some kind of Lightforged-zealot. If anything he’s pretty level-headed, and he makes several comments after Argus that similar to Velen he will not blindly follow the Light. It can guide them, but not control them. Even on Argus he was willing to work together with Illidan, even after he blew up Xe’ra. (And before anyone comes in: If I killed Cenarius or a loa before a night elf or a troll they would be enraged just as much, because I just killed one of their “gods”. Same thing with Xe’ra and Turalyon.)

The Alliance would need to nuke Thunderbluff with all civilians still inside to be again somewhat equal to the Horde when it comes to morality.

Call me when they start rounding up civilian, locking them in a building and setting it on fire. They are using at best questionable methods of extracting information from uncooperative sources. Personally, given their goal I don’t have an issue with it. Anduin is growing and starting to understand that the real world is different than then one he in visions in his head.

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Yeah that’s why I said I love it. Because he’s starting to realize that and accepting that things need to be done.

Please do not post spoilers for the novel on the forums >.> I mean come on man, just because you say ‘Spoilers’ and put in a small text wall to try to separate your spoiler posts from normal text, doesn’t make it right.