We already covered this:
The Zandalari aren’t a threat any more.
Hahaha, well, I won’t disagree with you there. Anduin has not been a good wartime leader. But that’s what miracles make up for, it seems.
I take it more as Gilneas being the domino that starts the process, like Quel’thalas was after the Second War.
Countered by the living Night Elves fighting back even harder, and Tyrande taking everything she discarded back up immediately upon becoming the Night Warrior.
The Undead Night Elves don’t even do anything. Most of them get re-killed by Tyrande and the Alliance player right after they join the Horde, and then they don’t even contribute anything of value to the Darkshore Warfront.
Either way’s fine with me.
Calculating and cunning are not mutually exclusive with emotional and impulsive.
This is a conversation for the future, or a conversation for never if the Alliance doesn’t split.
She almost didn’t:
- Saurfang met her eyes without flinching. “Stormwind, I’d guess. Tyrande intervened and took him away.”
It wasn’t often Sylvanas was left speechless.
It didn’t last long. “Malfurion lives?” she snarled. “You let him escape?”
His lips did not smile, but his eyes did. He was happy— happy!— about this. “I could not stop Tyrande. Perhaps you could have.”
“Perhaps I made a mistake in trusting you,” Sylvanas shot back. Her hands twitched toward her bow.
No. Not yet, she decided.
And then she turned away from them because she didn’t want them to see her not being composed.
Which she expected Anduin to do after the Alliance was already rotted from the inside out, not when they were unified. It would have been Anduin’s final attack, not his first. It wasn’t the first attack, the Battle of Lordaeron, that has the Horde losing on all fronts, but the Alliance simultaneously winning at all fronts while still being unified that has cost her everything.
Or it was in character and Sylvanas had no sense of Saurfang.
Which was my point. The narrative did not spoon feed us every fact there is.
It does invalidate your dismissal, in that you’ve confused yourself for someone whose dismissal matters. It doesn’t make what I speculated be canon, though. Just that I don’t care that you disagree with me. While I do care that others with whom I have more interests with might agree with me.
In Nazjatar they slowly build up from agreeing to non-interference with the Horde to actively working side by side with Lor’themar and Thalyssra.
Here’s a picture of Shandris even joined forces with a Forsaken:
I posted my speculation on that once:
Though, yes, that would mean that the Night Elves can purge the Blight.
Appearantly that’s honorable.
It is reasonable, I actually agree with you there.
But still puts her back to square one with no way to attack the Alliance further.
So you admit that Sylvanas wasn’t in her right mind then:
- And that was almost certainly true, wasn’t it? Elune had intervened. Perhaps she had even stayed Saurfang’s killing blow. And she wouldn’t be the only force beyond the Alliance to oppose Sylvanas’s true objective.
Sylvanas’s anger grew cold.
She had known this would happen. It had simply come sooner than expected. That was all.
Humor aside, if Sylvanas was in her right mind, she was predicting that miracles would oppose her. So she really should have stopped betting that they wouldn’t come at the perfect time to mess up her plans again.
Yeah, but what Saurfang wanted was the honor, and Malfurion living could have given him that.
And I wanted Battlefield: Ashenvale concurrently with Battlefield: Barrens, but instead we got robocat and Vol’jin’s corronoation and, yes, the Night Elves got the participation ribbon. It wasn’t appropriate representation for Garrosh invading all the Night Elves’ land. And it’s not a Night Elf exclusive problem. Blizzard constantly does peoples story arcs disservice by not including them in the conclusions of those story arcs.
So I’d completely expect Blizzard to make that mistake again with the Night Elves now.
I focus more on discussion what the story is and what Blizzard might write. Discussing what would make more sense is fun, but it just sets up disappointment when Blizzard can’t live up to what millions of different people have in their heads.
Take my desire for Battlefield: Ashenvale as Patch 8.3. It’s not going to happen, so I’m just setting myself up to be more disappointed with whatever 8.3 actually is.
Likewise, people thought the Tyrande and Malfurion would be involved with Azshara in 8.2, and now, now matter how good Nazjatar is or isn’t, it will already be tarnished by what people hoped it would have been instead.
Which is even sadder, because we should have all seen this coming when the avoided any contact between Illidan and Malfurion and Tyrande until after they had Illidan safely locked away in the Seat of the Pantheon, which is not what people looking forward to a reunion wanted.
Are you kidding? I’m not playing any of my Horde alts during BfA. I haven’t logged onto them since before the War of the Thorns event because I like my Horde characters too much to put them through the Horde’s story for BfA. If I don’t want a warmongering story for my Horde charatcers, I don’t want a warmongering story for my Alliance characters even more. Especially not my Night Elves.
If my proposal of the Horde rebels helping the Night Elves take their lands back happened, then, too, could both sides go forward not feeling like insane monsters or pathetic doormats.
No we don’t, because we don’t actually have any information available to us. Admitting we don’t know what’s going on is the most honest thing we can do.
No? Might be clearer this way, though:
Players are rolling their eyes and predicting that Blizzard will make Sylvanas Kerrigan 2.0 exactly because Blizzard would want to be contrarian against the players want her to be Garrosh 2.0 instead, you know.
That’s how the game goes. Bad guy attacks. Heroes attack back. We already roll over the bad guys like they’re nothing as is. Having us attack the bad guys first would just make the bad guys look even weaker than that, and they already look weak as is. Iron Horde? Legion? Azshara? They’ve all been going down like punks. Even the Horde as the acting villain this expansion went from their Broken Shore style triumph against the Alliance to a continuous chain of loss. Which sucks even more, because the Horde is a playable faction, and not one thing the Horde has done in their War Campaign has paid off. Even Priscilla Ashvane predictably betrays them.
Like I said, I want nothing to do with a warmongering storyline on the Alliance, either.
More that it was a good start, but indeed, a good start is nowhere near enough.
Once again, I want Battlefield: Ashenvale, and for the Night Elves to be there for Sylvanas’ final death. But I don’t expect either to happen, and will still be complaining that, while Tides of Vengeance was good, it wasn’t nearly enough.
Because I don’t expect Blizzard to even do that. I expect exactly SoO 2.0. The Night Elves might show up, Tyrande might have some gossip text at the end, and we move on to the next expansion, and I wouldn’t expect more than that.
To be completely honest, I did not expect the Darkshore Warfront or its related content at all.
When BfA launched, I honestly though all the Night Elves were going to get was the Mission Table missions and that’s it. So, yeah, we actually got a lot more than I expected.
But even what we got isn’t enough to make up for getting pushed out of Ashenvale in a novel and the burning of Teldrassil and then the story focusing on how the Horde feels about itself.
And the burning of Teldrassil might be forgotten and ignored by everybody, too.
No so much my telling them to go back to vanilla as much as I expect those kinds of players are already planning to do that on their own.
I was talking about faction homogeneity as in cross-playability. When Classic comes out people will be able to go back to a time where you couldn’t even make a character of the opposite faction on the same server again.
Huh? Yes it does. Old content would still be old content. Just like there are Gnome only quests that I can’t do as Night Elf, if you couldn’t do a lower level quest as a Blood Elf you still wouldn’t be able to do it after unlocking being able to group up with Alliance players.