That only happens if the Horde wins an honorable victory

[Amadis-draka (Amadis)]

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That first quote doesn’t necessarily mean they’re only coming for Sylvanas, and neither does the second. If they wanted to end the war only through Sylvanas, it makes no sense to attack the Zandalari to begin with.

I didn’t want to go to Kul’Tiras after the War of the Thorns, either, but here we are, characters bent around the locations and story Blizzard wanted to write.

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But as it is, we’re talking about your analysis and how you reached those conclusions, which I still don’t understand.

I didn’t call them unhinged, just emotional. I’m also not sure what you don’t understand, nor where you think the text of A Good War doesn’t reflect them as emotional, because it literally describes them as such:

She could imagine their expressions—Saurfang at peace, Nathanos seething—but she did not want them to see hers. Not until her rage had cooled. She needed to think.

@Amadis-draka

At this point Sylvanas just starts rambling incoherently and emotionally, like someone having conspiratory thoughts that the world itself was out to get her:

And that was almost certainly true, wasn’t it? Elune had intervened. Perhaps she had even stayed Saurfang’s killing blow. And she wouldn’t be the only force beyond the Alliance to oppose Sylvanas’s true objective.

Sylvanas’s anger grew cold.

She had known this would happen. It had simply come sooner than expected. That was all.

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Directly describing what he was feeling:

Saurfang did not move for hours, not until the screams faded and the flames had burned themselves down to embers. Before him stood a smoking husk that had once been a great civilization. Inside him was a feeling of despair, a feeling of shame. There was no haze of corruption now to soften the horror.

Both Sylvanas and Saurfang were emotionally compromised.

@Veloran-wyrmrest-accord

How does it enhance the Worgen? They all look and act the same during the Warfront and revamped Darkshore.

Check a video of the Horde quest “The Dead of Night” and you’ll see Worgen joining Tyrande with this buff:

Boon of the Night Warrior

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The idea is that Genn would be upset at the Alliance choosing to aid the Night Elves in retaking their homelands over the Worgen’s homelands, IE he would be angry at the Alliance leadership, not Elune.

By that logic, Elune’s involvement in saving Malfurion wouldn’t change Sylvanas’ opinion that Genn’s would be angry at the Alliance leadership choosing to aid the Night Elves in retaking their homeland over the Worgen’s homelands. My point being that Sylvanas didn’t think that through, or at all.

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The theory did happen, just with different players in different positions.

Theory didn’t happen, because the Alliance didn’t split.

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It’s as much of a dead conversation as not speaking to begin with.

Which is the answer to a question you asked in another thread:

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Anyway, not going to respond to my previous post?

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@Veloran-wyrmrest-accord

The Alliance has an underlaying division every bit as real as the one the Horde is currently dealing with.

You have your scales a bit off if you think the leadership of five of the Horde races (Saurfang, Baine, Thrall, Rokhan, Lor’themar, and Thalyssra) turning against Sylvanas versus the three supporting her and the three on the fence (and that’s being generous and saying Mayla isn’t siding with Baine and Ji is still busy off punching dinos) is the same as the leadership of two Alliance races going off on their own but still simultaneously supporting Anduin (once again, see Night Elves at Nazmir, Shandris in Nazjatar, and Genn heading to Darkshore and still coming back for the Battle of Dazar’alor).

@Veloran-wyrmrest-accord

Again, still off-board with this on multiple levels.

I stand by my analysis.

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Saurfang says “They will come for us now”. But later, he excuses himself from “us” and puts the blame all on Sylvanas. At some point, because of the Horde rebellion, a time will come when the Alliance has to choose who to blame, and at that time I don’t think Tyrande is going to give Saurfang the same excuse he gave himself.

People in this thread (https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/so-shandris-feathermoon-is-the-night-elf-representative-for-the-nazjatar-story/187767/38) have already covered their disgust at the idea that Tyrande would kill Saurfang and continue the war. Would Blizzard do it? Possibly. I also presented an alternative scenario where Tyrande could work with Saurfang, which I would far rather hope for.

But if Blizzard does villain bat Tyrande to prop up Anduin as the voice that should have been listened to all along there will be plenty more complaining than what we’re already getting now.

@Veloran-wyrmrest-accord

Well, times change and all that.

Except times didn’t change. Malfurion surviving and Genn not turning his back on the Night Elves are two ideas that Sylvanas didn’t connect dots together for or even thought about at all.