And what about Lock’s defensive talents, all of which are affected by Dampening?
The Shadow Bolt and Haunt were nerfed as soon as the new season came out.
Since the expansion came out it’s only been Nerf after Nerf to the Afly Lock.
Is this the balance you are looking for?
Now we are on tier list -B and it is all 3 Lock specs, not just the Afly.
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Make dark pact a absorb equal to your entire heal bar no matter what hp you are at and what the damp is.Make healthstone always heal to full hp no matter the damp level.
This would make it more fair to live vs fury warriors that start instant cast chaos bolting you every global they are in melee range of you.
Yeah warlock finally was a threat that you actually had to land interrupts on and all the noob melee lost their mind. Game is designed so only the brainless melee and hunters can have fun
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That’s a bit greedy, lay on hands every minute
But I understand where you are coming from, dampening punishes warlocks more than any other spec.
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I would rather Unending Resolve is 40% DR at 2 minute cooldown instead of the 3.
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Demon Armor further reduces physical dmg and give additional HP.
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Either fix bloodstones so it is usable or get rid of bloodstones & maybe make Burning Rush usable in PVP via honor talent (so u don’t lose 3-4% hp every sec).
There are so many things they can do without making warlock overpowered.
I hope they have us on their radar.
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40-0’ing people every haunt/shadowbolt combo wasn’t balanced big dawg.
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Ok so why no warrior or hunter nerf?
It was doing too much dmg at the start of S1. And, blizz fixed it right away.
Now in S2, it is not putting out pressure like it used to, why hasn’t blizz fixed it???
If u r so worried about 40-0 on a dime, then your concern is misplaced. look at fury, ww, ele shaman, frost mage…
How much of affliction’s troubles are from the meta this season? In my experience fury melts warlocks, and there’s a fury in every game sooo.
Either way affliction could use some buffs imo.
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The Fury war stacks the healing reduction debuff on entry, and I already start with 25% less healing received.
The problem is the UA dispels in a single Shuffle healers made 15 UA dispels.
And guess what?
I lost 5 of the 6.
The dampening plus the healing reduction. Defensives Warlock talents is a mere meme (all are affected by dampening) UR is only 40% dmg reduction and a 3 min CD.
The set bonus is pure DPS garbage because it always applies it to pets first and when you’re lucky it applies it to players with 50% reduced damage.
35% to 45% of the damage from the Afly lock are just inflated numbers by Blizzard.
Their simulations don’t cover people dispelling off CD, which is why they don’t buff us. It’s the same thing with demonology in PVE. In Sims, it pumps, yet all the real-world movement makes it mid at best.
Almost all of it imo.
Last season Hpal was far and away the best healer. It also had 2x bop and freedom, which helped keep locks alive relatively indefinitely vs melee. Hpal also didn’t have dispel protection tools or insane anti-rot throughput.
Now, hpal is nerfed so all melee are stronger as a result, lock partners (rogue/feral) got nerfs, and other healers with strong anti-rot throughput (rdruid/hpriest) got significant buffs.
I think nerfing fury warrior would be a great start to making affliction warlock better, but I also think that it needs a buff to UA dispel which hasnt scaled as well with new hp bars.
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You forgot to post the “but” to the absolutely insane buffs you asked
I thought locks were fine though 
Giving afflock mage burst with haunt shadowbolt was their demise. Locks should be a dot spec, but they can’t have both because of the burst in S1
I’m not even sure you can make rot specs work nowadays, not like they used to be anyway
What interesting is that ele is now the tanky caster and seems like people are fine with it while also having instant AOE burst damage( the fact that this burst can do 50% of two people health in that CDs it’s insane) not to account with its amazing utility kit.
It’s doing damage better than SP, tanks better than every other caster, access to instant spam aoe(not single but AOE) burst damage, and access to an all rounder utility kit and hardly anyone bats an eye
Ya, I think lock is more weak because of the meta than the actual strength of lock.
I think OP classes like warrior need nerfs more than lock needs buffs.
The UA HP scaling thing is totally different, though. That should just be the norm whenever HP pools increase.
Lock is weak because the defensive are no longer doing much. And seems like going into the TWW everyone had some qol/secondary defensives.
No one even cares when a lock hits their 3 min defensives, dack pack(has the double negative of being by current health and dampening) which is the primary reason to sit warlock…
Defensively it’s weak. Id would always sit a warlock knowing a 3 mind defensive won’t do much to stop damage.
Just sit on them till death. Shadowbolt doesn’t even seem to scale with damage much anymore as well…
You have DPS out here hitting 50%\60% of people health bar the moment you get to mid with instant abilities
I disagree with this. I think if you feel that way, then you’re probably used to being unkillable as a lock.
To be clear, lock SHOULD be tanky. It has no offensive mobility, so the class has to push in.
That being said, dark pact is quite a bit better than several classes defensives, although its obviously frustrating when your “main” defensives are either 2.5ish-3minutes for a mid wall (that shaman has on half the cd or a shorter cd and 50% bigger, for example) or an absorb shiled that’s reduced by damp and is instantly shattered.
Lock didn’t get any survivability nerfs going into s2, but didn’t have the same issues surviving s1 because of the healer meta.
Lock is a very trainable class atm, I’m not refuting that, but it’s still got better defensives than boomy or dk and arguably hunter.
Like I said in my post, I think the problem is way more the meta than the class.
I think if fury/ww were nerfed tomorrow, you’d see lock surge in strength/popularity.
Aff has the potential to make any other caster spec absolutely miserable without breaking a sweat, but melee is more difficult for them. That seems fair.
I’ll take any melee over a DK on my affy.
Fighting a DK on an aff is a miserable time.
Their defensives are weaker into dampening, but their damage profile is also more effective into dampening.
While it will help, core problems still remain. Defensives that scale badly during dampening. Like you mentioned long cooldown on Unending Resolve compared to Astral Shift further exacerbates the problem. Feel invincible when the game starts with Dark Pact/HS, but run over deep dampening. This feels bad and needs a fix.
Once fury and ww are nerfed a bit, I have a feeling we will have to put up with DH, who are equally obnoxious in training locks. My point is we can’t rely on meta to be viable, we need better tools than what we have. And it is long overdue, class tree which has our defensives hasn’t been touched since DF.
I don’t agree with this. This is intentional and relevant. Locks have always had an “upside down bell curve” power curve where theyre not as strong at the start of the game when everyone has every button, really strong in the midgame and into early damp, and then falling off late in dampening.
You can’t be strong at every stage of the game.
Dark pact and unending resolve have functioned similarly for the past 4 expansions and lock survivability has never been a significant issue. Previous seasons aside, lock had no difficulties living just last season and was one of the strongest casters. It’s really just mostly a meta problem IMO.
This is NOT true and this is EXACTLY how mage and warrior have gotten to the insane state that they’re at.
Warrior has had a core design (exacerbated by community interests) in that it doesn’t do damage when it doesn’t connect, so it’s gotten more and more damage and mobility EXACTLY for those reasons that, “we can’t rely on the meta to be viable”. And while war is balanced in a world of frost mages and devokers, it’s unbelievably broken vs things that don’t have those same tools.
We don’t need warlock to be the new warrior. We just need warrior reigned in.