When did that happen? I don’t remember Aethas ever mentioning him, but I could have forgotten something. Also, what did he say?
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Well, the Sunreavers are just a “socio-political” designation, not Aethas’ own outright noble house, so Songweaver could have been one and been something else.
Like, say, maybe one of Kael’thas’ former followers from Outland, some of whom came home and reintegrated after TBC. Which would make a certain degree of sense given his connection to the mana bomb and frankly maniacal behavior when he betrayed the Kirin Tor and tried to bring down Theramore’s gates from inside during the siege.
(Honestly he was acting so over-the-top evil at the time that I half expected to someday learn he was a Legion plant, sent to help worsen the faction conflict in the interests of keeping the Horde and Alliance from uniting when the demons eventually returned. His bizarre loyalty to Garrosh above even and to the detriment of Silvermoon only reinforced that potential impression to me.)
Aethas failing to properly vet such a person out of naive optimism could add up. He was all about proving that they could be trusted, so he might have been especially susceptible to assuming that a former Sunfury, Firewing, etc. had completely given up the penchant for cruelty and violence that Kael’thas’ followers had come to display as they recklessly indulged in the energies of the Netherstorm.
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If at all, I hope it’s just a quick couple quests to track him down so he can laugh at how much of a tool Aethas was as Rommath throttles him into the dirt. Then maybe we can move on with our lives - like Rommath and Oculeth establishing a new mage organization for the Horde to be a counter to the Kirin Tor.
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It was in the Tides of War novel.
Ah, okay, haven’t checked that one out in a while. If you have it handy, what did Aethas say?
Only that Aethas sent Thalen as a “gesture of goodwill” and reflects bitterly on the irony. What Zerde naturally forgot to mention though is that Rhonin also “personally vouched” for Songweaver, so it’s likely he spent some time cultivating the image of a model Kirin Tor conciliator and worked both of them to get assigned to Theramore.
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he is a korkron he leads the remnants in deepest ragefire
how can he join alliance scum
cant wait to see the underground orc city he has been busy with
No one said Rhonin is perfect. Heck, if we want anyone to blame for Dalaran being destroyed it should be him and his hairbrained scheme to turn the entire city complete with its civilian population into a flying fortress.
On this note, I still find Khadgar’s whole “we wont interfer with the worlds politics” stance to be idiotic. Especially considering Dalaran was correct in suspecting something nefarious about Prestor.
I still thing this entire “we shouldnt rebuild Dalaran” stance is idiotic and hope it goes the way of the Aspects being depowered and someone down the line goes “yeah lets reverse course on it”.
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Go ahead tbh the last one and whatever one they wanna put into this xpac should be burned lmao.
Percent.
Putridly sick of Blizzard consistently removing any nuance from the Alliance & insistently justifying the Purge of Dalaran …
Heck, even in the new ‘Chronicles’ — They apparently presented the Alliance & Jaina as in the right & provided more justification for the Purge 
God, I really really really really really REALLY hope that in ‘Midnight’ – The Blood Elves completely & utterly humble the Silver Covenant, the Void Elves; along with especially Alleria & Vereesa.
Sick to death of the Blood Elves being portrayed as the silly wrong-doers who are needed to be shown their place – Especially considering that the Horde already have that a lot in general as it is, we hardly need more.
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Unusual.
But I definitely do agree that suddenly making Thalen Songweaver not a Sunreaver makes little to no sense.
I am also not sure why there would be a need to paint him as such.
Thalen Songweaver does not need to -not- be a Sunreaver if the desire or intention is to portray the Sunreavers as a faction innocent of what happened in regards to the stealing of the Bell, and paint them as victims of Jaina’s prejudice.
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I dunno, it’s not like Aethas doesn’t know any non-Sunreaver mages. There are ways they could spin it, especially if they play up how Thalen came out of nowhere and charmed both Aethas and Rhonin. Maybe he expressed interest in joining the Sunreavers and buttered up Aethas that way.
No, but considering the number of people on this forum who apparently see nothing wrong with punishing the entire group for the actions of one or two people that the rest almost certainly knew nothing about, it would help.
And the game as a whole seems to have no interest in painting the Sunreavers as victims of Jaina’s (and Vereesa’s) prejudice, frankly. The one and only character who was ever shown to be upset about it was also someone the PC was expected to side with Jaina against.
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I think it would be enough to show that the Sunreaver party was wrongfully blamed for the actions of pretenders.
It also goes along well with Jaina’s very hasty decisions of sudden attack, and the Sunreaver’s confusion and determination to fight back against something they witnessed as sudden discrimination.
The Sunreaver tabards could just as easily have been worn by Blood Elves not at all a part of the Sunreavers, and it would look like it was a Sunreaver project even though it was not.
The problem is that blizzard never really made it clear whether the Sunreaver organisation as a whole actually participated or not. I mean, the Blood Elves who created the portals were called ‘Silvermoon Mage’ and not ‘Sunreaver Mage’ or anything to that effect, that might or might not have been a clue, but the orc in charge also said that the Sunreavers risked their neutrality by helping. But we just don’t know with Blizzard because their ability to tell stories is awful.
We do not need to make Thalen a sudden rando. We just need to somehow clarify what the duck went on.
Also the extend of Aethas’ knowledge of the stealing of the Bell, because as far as I am concerned, while there are rumours of a cutscene that was never seen due to a bug where Aethas was threatened to keep quiet about the stealing of the bell, that cutscene was never put in at any point in the future, and as far as I am concerned, it is then non-canon. But we had the little ‘Aethas shifts uncomfortable’ on the Thunder Isle when Lor’themar mentions ‘The Sunreavers knew nothing of the raid on darnassus’ which hints to him actually knowing.
Blizzard simply need to clarify, which one is it?
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Nobody feels guilty for that. Let’s be honest.
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I’m not aware of any evidence in favor of the idea that the entire organization did.
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Wasn’t it mostly just jaina making huge leaps in judgement based on a single portal she stumbled across when the Divine Bell was stolen?
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I think that was the INTENT, but as Iiraveth points out… Blizzard are notoriously bad at telling a cohesive story. The narrative in WoW has more plot holes than an old backwood two-track.
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A lot of that I think is the fault of how the dev team wrote expansion stories in the past. One team writing a Horde Story and the other a Alliance Story, with both teams often not communicating with one another resulting in these plot holes and incoherent messes we often ran into.
DF was their attempt at writing one unified story and it worked out pretty well for a lot of people
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On top of that, expansions might as well be in parallel universes with how intentionally self contained they were. No matter how major a thread, is almost never got pulled forward. Blizzard’s story is more of a shag carpet than a tapestry.
The Saga is really their first meaningful effort at telling a multi-expansion narrative.
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And Dragonflight was a nice little Prequel as it were. A great way to get everyone settled into a multi expansion story arc.
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