Ok now give us the data of world pvp deaths once the majority of pvp gear from both sides is obtained.
This is such a load of horse Sh. They do not care about balance whatsoever. Attempting to act like this is a change that is helping anything at all.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they want as many people on the horde as possible so when wotlk hits they make bank on people swapping human.
I hit alliance premades maybe 3/10 games. It was not a noticeable problem and for the most part horde would either fight back and put up a solid fight or win OR we would agree to give in and get into a new game instead of dragging out a loss because queues were so fast it wasn’t a big deal.
You really think people are going around ganking lvl 65s once they finish their pvp set?
3/10 games being an alliance premade is a very large amount when the horde are 65% of the people queueing
Yeah but that 3/10 games took up less than 10% of the total time I played in BGs because games were typically decided quickly. Like yeah, it felt bad to not win, but losing in 5 minutes and getting into a new game immediately feels better than losing in 15 minutes and waiting half an hour to get into another game.
I’m not arguing that its better for horde to have short queue times, i’m saying that alliance winning 50% of their games when 50% of the people queueing on alliance are in a 15 man premade is going to end up skewing the data. They were so vague with that data that its basically meaningless, like the 50/50 faction deaths on pvp realms when pvp realms are 62:38 is very suspicious indeed
Yeah sample sizes matter and small sets of data can skew it for sure, but I can believe the 50/50 statistic since I would imagine nearly every horde world pvper was in BGs instead of rolling around ganking lowbies.
This just shows how completely incompetent current Blizz is. They don’t say ANYTHING about the root of the problem which is why do more people play Horde and why do more of them play PvP than Alliance. They’re just data analysts that don’t have the slightest clue of game design, of butterfly effect, slippery slope and correctly interpreting numbers.
Where are the numbers about how many people rerolled Horde just cause of this test alone? Where are the numbers about how many people bought a boost and used it on a Horde char? If you track world pvp deaths surely you got those numbers too.
For the love of god just enable free faction change from Horde to Alliance, so many bandwagon tryhard metaslaves literally just rolled Horde cause their favourite streamer did so and whatnot. Just see how the free faction change from Horde to Alliance unfolds, there’s no way it will have a negative impact. And on top of that buff Honor gains. If you don’t want to touch racials, if you’re too incompetent or scared to balance them a little, sure. Then at least when some Horde faction changed and the queues are shorter, they won’t have to grind as much with buffed Honor. Queue below 30mins imo is fine when Honor is doubled for example.
If only you managed to keep Jeff in your trash company, he could have helped you with TBCC.
Well, there is also the issue of how many horde players are actually on contested realms, like half the realms are 2:1 horde favored so the chances that they actually run into alliance to gank are slim, there are 10,000 extra horde that are confined to horde only realms where they can’t possibly gank any alliance because those alliance don’t exist
No? The point is the ‘data’ may have shown pvp were 50/50 during this time but once bgs die out we are still going to have to go back to vastly horde dominated servers.
Christ the pvp server as a whole I approaching 70/30. This change is going to make balance much much worse
I’m honestly baffled at how little context we are given, or that they completely ignored, around the two bullet points they provided about 50/50 faction performance.
There’s a whole laundry list of reasons that data could be immensely skewed or flawed but we can’t possibly know because they literally gave us nothing to work with, and it all just ends up feeling like their “data” is in-fact just naive and ignorant of certain factors.
Should pair premades vs premades also.
the data is not naive or ignorant, its the opposite of that, its intentionally vague so that its hard to dispute so that when the hvh bgs inevitably make it to the live game (lets be real here, this is happening one way or the other) people can use it to justify the changes as being good for the alliance also when it clearly is not. Even if this data was to be believed (the horde are too busy in bgs to go kill the 2:1 outnumbered alliance on their realm), eventually they will gain all the honor they need and presumably go back to killing those alliance anyway. Only better geared this time. Sound good? sounds good to me
@Kaivax
You have listed 3 findings, from which only the first (the one that we all can see) has the data before & after.
For the last 2 findings how can we draw a conclusion if we don’t see the data before the test ?
Maybe is was better for alliance and this change made it worst.
What I’m trying to say is that you need to provide the data before and after the test for all your “findings” to see the improvement you are mentioning.
All this “internal data” reminds me of the great hunter nerfs of '08. Ghostcrawler took to the forums claiming they were bringing BM in line with other classes. The top world hunters trotted out their data showing that the proposed nerfs would break BM hunters but Ghostcrawler insisted, no, their internal data showed otherwise.
So the nerfs went through and BM spec was decimated for, literally, years. No one should ever trust any data that they can’t verify. Especially from Blizzard.
I honest to god think this ‘data’ is seriously just a like a rubbish. They want to mess things up so they make bank off faction xfer I guarantee it
Kaivax, can you guys turn it back on during the weekends again? Just so people playing on the weekend can actually enjoy the game? I play alliance myself and it doesn’t bother me that horde will get their HvH games. Also, what is being done to combat the growing problem of server imbalance? I’ve had a majority of the alliance side on my server switch servers, and seeing as I can’t afford to, I’m stuck on Herod until guildies help me or a free server transfer is available.
There’s literally data showing quality of life improvement for Alliance from this test. Quit pretending to quit to spite the other faction - and indirectly your own - because you’ve been zugged in the open world, there will be less of that following this change.
Awesome news. Thanks for the work towards fixing this issue. I think this will be a system that can remain in place without affecting others.
“it doesn’t bother me that horde will get hvh”
“whats being done to combat the growing problem of server imbalance, i’m stuck on herod”
the thing you don’t have a problem with is exasperating the thing you do have a problem with