It’s definitely worst one of all time:
- all time low participation
- all time high depletion and incompletion rates
- all time high tank/healer shortage
- all time worst rewards per effort needed
- all time high spiky damage
- affixes still a thing
- etc…
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Quite literally SL was a MAJOR step down quality wise from BFA 5 mans and DF was a MAJOR step down from SL. If you can force yourself to like DF M+ you can like anything.
Don’t care about this. People just want the easiest path.
Good, something to work on.
You shouldn’t play M+ for rewards.
Meh. People just want to DPS and they always have and always will.
Must be something that happens at 10+. I’ll do one of those this week or next.
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You have yet to explain why the Mythic raid lockout is actually a good thing
Game is not supposed to be work.
You definitely should, this is a whole point of it. Nothing else in M+ matters.
False. I’ve played multiple tanks before. But in TWW due to changes to both tanks and M+ I no longer want to touch this role.
False. This problem starts in as early as in +5 keys.
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I don’t support the raid lockout, it should be loot based imo.
I was just pointing out that this hurdle has been overcome for a long time for those that want to, and we also have mythic+ as an alternative end game pillar for those not wanting to raid.
Just because it’s an alternative end game path doesn’t mean it should be a joke in difficulty. They should be similar. That is parity, that is alternative end game pillars.
The raid lockout makes Mythic artificially harder, and you’re using that as an excuse to justify inflating the difficulty of M+
It’s flat harder even without the lockout for the most part.
This season is better, it’s more comparable to early mythic bosses which is where I think 10s should be. Boss 5 is a MASSIVE jump from boss 4.
Do you think they should be easier than mythic bosses? Despite being able to farm them for gilded crests and 3x vault of mythic track?
In many past seasons 20s were easier than some heroic raid bosses much less mythic.
It was made harder because it was a joke.
/The difficulty is fine. Because it’s supposed to be tuned out by gearing yourself over time… WHICH YOU CANT because of the bad crest system dropping only in +9
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At some point players have to kill the next harder thing to get better gear.
Like starting killing mythic raid bosses in heroic gear.
Or start clearing 9s in hero gear, which is far from out of reach. According to the forums 8s even are fine, but 10% more dmg/HP above that is impossible apparently.
I’m at that state, but I’m declined in all the +9 I tag in. And when I pug them with my own key, nobody queue in or we wait 40 min for a healer or a tank, when there is one queuing, most of the time people leave the group by sheer boredom because they are tired to wait.
So at this point I’m just really slowed down just because my class is not meta and does not have the mandatory buff required in M+ ( which is BR and BL )
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You know it’s problem when +9/+10 Grim Batol, Stonevault or The Necrotic Wake is easily harder than Mythic Ulgrax and Mythic Silkran
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I’d call 10s being on par to boss 3ish of the mythic raid to be kind of ideal tbh.
To me that is parity.
3/8 mythic is 1 vault slot only, and less than everyone would get a drop even with perfect distribution. Also limited loot pool and the lockout prevents crest farming.
10s with no lockout for 3x vault and unlimited (to the seasonal cap) crest farming.
Sounds like a real alternative end game pillar.
Why are you insinuating this is a bad thing?
All these people languishing at 616-619 but none want to play with each other?
Yeah nah, +9/+10 are easily harder than 3 first boss on mythic difficult. You should try +9/+10 Stonevault (I bet it will be lowest completion for a dungeon this week) and come back here.
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Ok, so 1 season in the past 8 years they are harder than a few easier mythic bosses and the system is broken?
Why?
What about the previous 16 seasons? Were those fine? Why?
Why was it ok for keys to be a joke for 8 years relative to raiding and now 4 weeks into a season where it’s more comparable the system is now broken?
It’s just like this accepted thing that keys should be a joke and never a real alternative end game pillar. Just side homework to smash.
How is that my fault ? are you a troll ?
How did any of the over 500,000 other people get into timing 10s?
They play meta class? They cleaned heroic raid and some mythic already , going to 620+ ilvl ?
I had absolutely no issue going to 3200 rating and top end ilvl last seasons but here I’m stuck at 2310, so there is an issue. and that’s not on me.
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Ion once said that players are great at identifying a problem, but not at identifying a solution. This is an example of that. If they did all of the things you’re suggesting, M+ would be absolutely faceroll easy and the rewards would have no value at all.
There are problems in the current season. Big problems, that I’ve been talking about a lot lately, but these fixes ain’t it. Some of them I agree with in isolation, but some are just insane. A 30-50% across the board nerf? That’s insane. Combine that with all affixes vanishing? That’s double insane. Also scale back the rewards to +6 and 8, which on its own is not insane, along with this?
Yeah, this just isn’t a serious post, I’m sorry.
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Ion once said that players are great at identifying a problem, but not at identifying a solution.
Maybe Ion should be fired and someone who can actually do his job of game design should be hired. What a idiotic viewpoint.
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