Then everyone who uses the AH is also responsible for participating in the culture that perpetuates botting/RMT. It’s pretty clear how much of the end game material farming is dominated by bots.
You don’t get to throw stones at everyone who GDKP’s because “by participating, you’re contributing to and helping sustain that culture” while ignoring all the people buying botted materials off the AH, or the people who buy gold and spend it on the AH.
This is possibly one of the worst comparisons I’ve ever seen. It amazes me that people like you keep touting it as if it has any merit. Let’s break this down simply for you:
Using the AH is a basic game mechanic — it’s not inherently built around laundering RMT gold. GDKPs, on the other hand, are explicitly designed to funnel massive amounts of gold, no questions asked, often from shady sources.
Just because the AH has issues doesn’t mean all systems are equally complicit. That’s like saying breathing air makes you responsible for pollution. One is passive participation in a flawed economy; the other is actively running the laundering machine. If you’re in a GDKP, you’re not just touching the problem — you are the problem.
GDKP isn’t built around laundering RMT gold either. The fact you think it is inherently built around RMT is exactly the problem of why there can be no real discussion on GDKP.
They’re still trying to equate the AH to GDKPs?
That absurd comparison has been annihilated. Such desperation from some people.
Yeah… annihilated lmao. Like when you claimed all RMT and botting existed to support GDKP and would disappear if GDKP was banned.
GDKPs didn’t just accidentally become the preferred system for RMT whales — they did because the structure inherently rewards gold over gameplay. When thousands of gold are changing hands for loot, and no one asks where the gold came from, what do you think happens? It becomes the perfect launder for RMT gold.
GDKP is structurally designed around the exchange of illicit gold. That’s why no one listens to any of your posts. Because you fail to acknowledge a simple fact that everyone else already caught wind of years ago.
GDKP isn’t “structurally designed around the exchange of illicit gold”. That would be implying the first GDKP’s ever, which were run during Vanilla wow in 2004/2005, existed to exchange RMT’d gold. Which just wouldn’t be the case. Your very definition would then apply to the AH in the state that it’s currently in, so feel free to call that argument dead but it’s so unbelievably accurate.
You don’t ask where those herbs came from. You don’t ask where the gold came from when someone buys your items off the AH. You just take it.
yeah its wild. 40 sweaty raiders all moonlighting as professional gold farmers in their off hours. if only blizzard could bottle that work ethic lol.
definitely agree rmt is a problem on anniversary. gdkp is just one facet of rmt tho.
Agreed. GDKP will of course always attract RMT. Every single thing in the game that can be affected by RMT will be. That includes things like the AH, or even NPC related things like mounts/riding training. The only thing that can actually be done is properly policing the bots, instead of letting them somehow reach 60, farm for a few months, and then ban them when it’s convenient.
My issue is this weird position where GDKP is somehow the only thing affected by RMT in a way that anybody cares. They don’t care about the botting flooding the AH with materials or selling the gold made off those materials to Billy who wants his epic riding.
Historical origin doesn’t absolve current function. Just because GDKPs weren’t originally designed for RMT in 2005 doesn’t mean they haven’t become the ideal vehicle for it now. By that logic, we shouldn’t criticize any system that’s been corrupted over time because it wasn’t “born bad.” That’s a garbage argument.
Do you think about your posts or do you just frantically hit reply?
How many times are you going to make this dumb comparison that’s been debunked on every level? Do you not see that this is precisely why discussion is impossible (and not needed on our side, Blizzard already said you’re wrong and you have continue to prove them correct lol)
Again, it’s not the same. Saying “you don’t ask where gold came from on the AH” ignores intent, mechanics, and scale. GDKPs are uniquely effective at legitimizing massive, unchecked gold transfers, which is exactly why RMTers like you love them.
If you want to defend GDKPs, make a better argument—because this one doesn’t hold up to even basic scrutiny.
Hey look it’s literally your logic. We shouldn’t criticize the AH because it wasn’t born bad. And hey look, you called me an RMTer when I’ve never bought gold in my life because I like GDKP’s.
I’m gonna get a bingo at this rate.
The AH is quite literally the machine driving RMT and botting. If they couldn’t mass sell everything they farmed via botting through the AH they wouldn’t make anywhere near the gold to sell to people who want to cheat.
that actually upsets me.
i think blizzard has said in the past that they ban in waves like that because they collect data and if one bot gets banned that it moves up the bot network and they all change something that prevents it from being detected.
i dont really buy it tho. they could definitely be proactively policing the game. the ability exists and there is available manpower to make it happen, and blizzard can afford to hire those people.
when i saw so many warriors with LHH and epic mount on second week of launch i knew rmt was going to be a problem.
i kinda feel like the AH thing is a false equivalency tho, although at the the core of it you are correct. its totally possible to benefit from rmt using the ah and probably happens a lot. it feels like a false equivalency tho because the ah is a sanctioned element and core aspect of the game design. gdkp is a player created system based on arbitrary rules that people made up. at face value it feels disingenuous to make that argument, even tho you are correct. and like you said about policing the bots being banned when its convenient really lends to that issue where stricter enforcement could heavily stall that.
No, that’s not my logic — that’s a straw man you invented because you can’t defend the actual point. Either that, or you just have poor reading comprehension. Take your pick.
I’m not saying “don’t criticize the AH because it wasn’t born bad.” I’m saying we should evaluate systems based on how they function now, not how they started. Do better to keep up.
Doesn’t matter - you defend it, you’re part of it.
At least you make this easy with your incredibly dumb comparison that just ignores basic logic. It’s not even worth addressing it at this point, Blizzard knows that, I know that, and everyone else does as well.
Are you ready to contribute meaningfully or are you going to keep floundering?
Banning in waves works/is the better method if they rely exclusively on Warden to detect and ban. Because if your bot gets banned in the middle of doing something you’d look at what it was doing and change how it does that thing until it stops getting banned. Ex: when I crash borderlands 2 because I blew up 40 enemies at once with explosions I turn down my graphics settings or change my behavior so that 40 enemies don’t all explode at the same time. The feedback of me doing something that crashed my game was instant so I know what did it.
If they rely on actual GM’s policing their game there’s no way to hide the bot because the way they function in the game world is just, not human at all. It’s blatantly detectable to the naked eye by anyone and everyone in a matter of seconds.
As far as the AH argument goes, the game would function just fine without the AH. You’d just actually have to hawk your wares in trade chat (which with larger servers… good luck having anyone able to actually read your messages, they’d never remove the AH). It would be significantly harder for bots to turn around the materials they farm in the world without getting busted after a few interactions.
at the end of the day the real problem is enforcement. everything else, gdkp, ah, mount costs, flasks etc, theyre just the symptoms. if bots didnt exist and gold couldnt be bought this conversation wouldnt even be necessary. blizzard knows that.
10000% this. Honestly it wouldn’t even surprise me if they could fix RMT issues without even going after the bots directly by just using stronger penalties for people caught RMTing. RMT is blatant cheating and in my eyes is worse than botting. Someone can bot for plenty of reasons and not impact other players (it’s still cheating though). RMT always affects everyone else.
(Note: I am not endorsing botting.)
Are all the pro-gdkp posts from the same dumb person saying the same crap all over the forums? they can’t be this brainless
here is a difference between
1-using a tool like a kitchen knife
And
2-willingly joining the club of murders
-using the auction house is the same as using a kitchen knife, i use it to cut Tomato, others are using it for stabbing people, i have nothing to do with those criminals.
-but joining gdkp’s when everyone knows that gdkps is living on gold buying/selling means you are part of the group that does rmt and you are supporting them which make them keep on going, it is as if you are being part of club of murders helping them with their activity.
Blizz’s reasoning for using ban waves is absurd. The bots make zero effort to hide their behavior. They don’t care.
Largely because they know they have weeks or even months to accumulate and sell gold.
I wish that was the case but sadly it was not.
Literally no one would argue that all the money WoW makes should go back into WoW and the people working on it, that would be the best thing ever. But sadly no, the money goes to Microsoft (formerly it went to Activision) and Microsoft gives Blizzard a budget they can operate under for everything.
Hiring dozens of people for EVERY single server to monitor the whole of the game for botting activity would possibly reduce botting activity i can’t really argue.
But justifying such an expenditure to the people writing the checks would be a whole other thing. So they go for the cheaper/efficient option instead.
And they always treat it like its some big gotcha comeback too. The fact is its merely an attempt to deflect, to get attention off them and what theyre doing. Dont entertain it. Just laugh at them. Its all they deserve.
Hilariously, yes. Its the same like 5-6 guys.